On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 6:22:14 PM EDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Scott Kitterman <deb...@kitterman.com> wrote on 04/09/2024 at 06:23:50+0200: > > On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: > > ... > > > >> While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Scott Kitterman made a > >> valid point[ru4]: "I don't think we need more process. We just need > >> someone to do the work of finding the packages and filing the bugs." I > >> agree that this is crucial to ensure an automated process doesn’t lead > >> to unwanted removals. However, I don’t see "someone" stepping up to file > >> RM bugs against other maintainers' packages. As long as we have strict > >> ownership of packages, many people are hesitant to touch a package, even > >> for fixing it. Asking for its removal might be even less well-received. > >> Therefore, if an automated procedure were to create RM bugs based on > >> defined criteria, it could help reduce some of the social pressure. > > > > ... > > > > Interesting perspective. This you? > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1079816 > > OoC, what is your point, especially considering the quote of your own > opinion Andreas made? > > This just seems passive-aggressive, and the fact he stepped up once > doesn't mean he has the time or will to step up hundreds of times.
I think it's odd that he would talk about how hesitant people are to touch other packages when he in fact does it himself. I'm not sure who he thinks he's speaking for, clearly not himself. I don't have statistics, but maintainer filed RM requests a pretty rare. My impression is it's only a small fraction of the total. I processed a lot of requests last night and almost none of the requests for package removal were from maintainers. It probably was a little passive aggressive, but I don't appreciate the DPL using the Bits from DPL message to punch down like that. If he has a point to make to further the discussion, it should be made as part of the discussion. If he's only trying to bring the issue to the wider project's attention, then I don't think picking one person's opinion to disagree with in Bits is very appropriate. FWIW, all an automated process would do is create work for the FTP Team. Those I would feel I have to scrutinize even more closely than ones filed by a human since no one has given it a sanity check before it gets to the FTP Team to process. Scott K
