On Sat, 10 May 2014 18:00:02 +0200, Laurent Bigonville <bi...@debian.org> wrote: >Le Sat, 10 May 2014 16:00:39 +0200, >> Yet: I do think its about high time systemd developers and packagers >> adopt an attitude of "never break userspace" like the kernel >> developers do. > >Sure that the attitude "I don't care where the root cause of a problem >lies", opening 3 different bugs against 3 different packages for the >same issue and then complain publicly that the bug is not fixed is good >and productive... > >May I remind you that everybody in Debian is working as a volunteer and >that we have limited time and motivation and that this kind of >continuous ranting is not helping.
Here is it again, the thought-terminating cliche of the volunteer. If you voluntarily break things, you voluntarily fix them. If you don't have time to fix your breakage, don't cause it. >> The plain fact: >> >> Using systemd breaks something that worked for probably a decade or >> longer before however long that su is in that init script. So on what >> account do you call calling "su" in an init script a bug? It may not >> be the most elegant solution to do things, granted, but a bug? Come >> on. Calling it a bug just cause systemd / policykit treat calling su >> in an initscript as they do is quite arrogant in my eyes. > >IMVHO opening a PAM session in an initscript is a bad idea from day >one, as you don't know which modules are being called, as it can create >bogus audit trails or cause other subtile issues. Just curious as the maintainer of another package using su in an init script since 2001, how am I supposed to start a non-root process from an init script? >> Thats it. > >I personally think that systemd team (of which I'm NOT part) is already >doing a really good work to fix integration issues, they are already >providing patches or .services for main packages but they cannot fix >everything. No doubt they do, but in the few prominent cases they don't, they're not helping their agenda by acting publicly the way they do. I really like the idea of systemd and am happily willing to take the pain the transition may cause, but I have already reached the state where I refrain from bug reports against systemd because being told "go away" in an impolite way is not good for my health. Greetings Marc -- -------------------------------------- !! No courtesy copies, please !! ----- Marc Haber | " Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom " | http://www.zugschlus.de/ Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG "Rightful Heir" | Fon: *49 621 72739834 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e1wjnhr-0001p6...@swivel.zugschlus.de
