-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 12/21/2013 11:08 AM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> schrieb: > >> Jonas: Is your view that the packages which aren't working properly >> with libav (including mplayer) should be removed from Debian ? > > mplayer doesn't need to be removed because of any compatibility > issues with libav. It FTBFSes for entirely unrelated reasons since 9 > months (708140). I've built the upstream version of it much more recently than that, with the library package that seems to be involved in that build error installed and enabled, and it's worked just fine. > It is simply unmaintained. If you mean that the package is unmaintained: granted. If you mean that the program (upstream) is unmaintained: on what do you base this statement? I acknowledge that development activity isn't nearly as, er, active as it once was (years and years ago), but judging by the activity on the relevant mailing lists (including the commit-log list) it is still going on, and there was an official release earlier this year - shortly before that FTBFS was reported against the packaged version. As far as I'm aware, upstream still considers it to be maintained. > If there were interest it could easily be fixed. to support current > libav. > > But there's simply no point in doing that work, since mpv is so much > cleaner and better. Looking into mpv on the basis of this statement, one question that comes to my mind is about encoding capabilities. Do we know whether it supports the capabilities of MEncoder that lead people to still use MEncoder rather than either FFmpeg or avconv? That's not a well-formed question, of course, since exactly what those capabilities are is ill-defined. Judging from discussion on the mencoder-users mailing list over the last several months (some of which may have been obsoleted by subsequent development), those features include: * DVD-reading capability. * EDL (edit-decision list) support. * Binary-codec support - i.e., decoding otherwise-unsupported formats by use of binary Windows DLLs. * Support for at least one subtitle-file format. - From the mpv docs, it seems to support DVD-reading capability and the subtitle format which was mentioned as unsupported-by-FFmpeg in a discussion this past June, but it doesn't seem to support EDLs or binary decoders. Also, the mpv encoding docs say it doesn't yet support 3-pass encoding (and don't say anything at all, that I've seen, about N-pass encoding), which MEncoder does support, at least when using libavcodec. So it looks like there might be some point in doing the work; it's just a question of whether there would be enough point for it to be worth the trouble (in the view of whoever would end up actually doing it). And yes, as you said earlier, it might be possible to modify the mplayer package to only build/include MEncoder. However, even aside from MEncoder being officially deprecated by upstream, it seems likely that doing that would involve most of the same work as getting MPlayer itself working again and probably more into the bargain - so if you're going to do the work anyway, why not retain both? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJStdBNAAoJEASpNY00KDJrMScP/3bF4NDxZeQOclew69vSt3qy ODxYuLhhhVdLQIowzxlsgfv9ufndMqpM/3GfXUOl855W3zRaodJ6behFVF75rlqq RYzHDgScVo3zuPpkRNMwcxtJpn9IfVmkt6MpiZbpdIhCx2jdpdLSXtfFlKbvQSQK 5TrWNlm9m/XvsQ0NP+WE0koWaJ+DKvZ/C/I+lhMHMh02PF7Gh4djhKVsjLUP/I+a fwd+Je/RPeGxHo3tmYwqhVSkUV8L7IzlJZF3r1x0d7b8u6aVs+rJ1021q5ZsQBHx FF45/gypaZHGvhV2syv98P1XlU5fthqh8/gRoBWiMFuWkzzpT5ojTJi45TpJW1mj QXnZFGPKzY4bK9+UjBOJbwJ7ktlxuGhSadndu6Qn4jM7PU+P7Ws9nKxvLOivRli6 vsj8USCQ5gNAxH637XHktUEWFRvb3GXt/01YogKl2azn8bw9+Foys8Kv+xebRhDu XvksjFg8tYKEGn80UdEeYzPBe8piLHuJJaWxS+5coZeLhKx4jOefe1wdt5Ca5E5g c8YpI6OpckPmVoQyWADh30ZI4wXD8XlBaAJMbEmYqcjagBoyCcn95REyBl/ne5G7 rMDOp6iUxq1WqLuCHrtGnaW7xpX64eYP+7TByTvaxHkZumVUPEEkvT1/UdhDK0Vz uEO6CGSBZlgLoHQE2p0l =YSyY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/52b5d04e.5020...@fastmail.fm
