On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 09:49 -0400, Marvin Renich wrote:

> I believe that systemd/GNOME upstream is intentionally coupling the two
> in order to force adoption of systemd.  There are obviously others who
> do not believe this.  If it is true, however, I would consider it
> sufficient justification to both change Debian's default DE and
> eliminate systemd as a candidate for the default init system, regardless
> of any technical merits.

+1



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