hi, 2013/6/5 John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de>: > On 06/05/2013 07:24 PM, Bjoern Meier wrote: >> >> You striped my other comment. What it is now? A decision of upstream or >> not? > > > I stripped it, because I wasn't considering it a valid argument. No one > keeps you from setting your default xsession and you actually should do > that when deploying Debian in a large computing environment where you > are the site administrator.
Ah what? You are confusing something, my skill to do something has nothing to do with that I have to do it. I really don't understand this decision. Gnome3 was controverse discussed in many media, so "Take it or make your move and change it?" It is that hard, to build a dialog and ask for a desktop? You have the choice, but we already made it for you". Just let Gnome3 as default on radio buttons if you really think debian user are too confused by this. I remenber, that I complain on this list about how few have the intention to understand and maintain they own system. Now I understand how got this so far. Debian seems to grow as a system that doesn't make it necessary to decide or to understand. At least some want to see debian as this. Meh. > Are you going around and install all your machines manually using the > Debian Installer? Usually, people use automatic installation systems > like FAI (like we do at our department) which allow you to set > things like the default session and even let you avoid GNOME3 > completely. If you want, your users will never see GNOME3. Yes, yes of course I do. Because all our debian systems are just servers, not workstations. All our servers could be re-install with the documentation belonging to them. All of them are customizations. To do so I tried to keep packages as original as I could and maintain the rest with scripts, because its easier to maintain (to be honest I adept it from the deb-file: keep upstream and modify with scripts). So, no FAI is needed on my site. Again: it is NOT my problem to solve any problem or tasks of customization. My Problem is just: the more I have to customize, the more time I have to spent, the more time I have to spent, the more expensive it is. So yes, all unnecessary changes are annoying. Not to mention, that I know that software changes over time. > I am sorry, but you can't blame Debian if you are unwilling to customize > the configuration to fulfill your needs. > > >> if you don't just cut my comments but read them, you'd have all your >> questions already answered. > > > Again, Debian having chosen GNOME as the default desktop will never > be a problem in a corporate environment if you as the site administrator > create a configuration for your needs. > > The decision to turn GNOME into that what it is now was made upstream, > not in Debian. Debian has just chosen to stay with GNOME as the default > desktop when performing the default installation as it has been like > for quite some time. And, again, changing the default desktop is a > no brainer: Ok, you asking me If i filled a bug. I said, you have your answers already and you just bring your no-brainer-gnome3-argument again? If you don't want to read my Email spare your typing. If not: EOD. Greetings, Björn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGMPS54qCD0jWgPQH4OcX7DdL3}yg5icccje9o938nqw5...@mail.gmail.com
