>>>>> Jon Dowland <j...@debian.org> writes:
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 02:56:53PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

 >> We should do it when we judge that the benefits are worth the costs.
 >> In this particular case the costs seem to be minimal.  There isn't
 >> even a direct patch-carrying cost, since the dependency is expressed
 >> in our own control files.

 > What should it be called: gnome-without-network-manager?

 > I really don't like evolution.  Can I have a gnome-without-evolution?

 > (Only half-joking. I *really* don't like evolution).

 > Where do you draw the line?

 > (Of course, any Debian developer can freely create such a dependency
 > package, it doesn't have to be the GNOME maintainers.)

 > In case it isn't clear, I don't think it's a good idea.

        Well, I seem to jump into the discussion without thoroughly
        reading all the postings (and I've never tried to install the
        gnome package, BTW), but the issue with network-manager seems to
        me much easier to solve than the one with evolution, as the
        former is in Recommends:, while the latter is in Depends:.

        The difference is that there could be a «negapackage» (marked as
        manually installed with APT), with the sole purpose of having a
        Conflicts: network-manager line.  (Why, such a package could
        simply be done with equivs!)  Then, it was my understanding that
        APT will instantly remove network-manager (and its respective
        dependencies) should the negapackage be installed, and will
        never try to install the offending package until an explicit
        user request.

        Therefore, I'm curious if the Debian metapackages could be
        switched to primarily use Recommends:, and not Depends:?  (So
        that the users could then have a conflicting package installed,
        or simply remove the offending package manually.)

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