Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:45:30PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >> Unfortunately Debian does not seem to be able to also have real >> constructive discussion about complex issues on the lists. So for these >> issues we usually have real discussions on IRC, real life, phone or >> private mail. The final result of these discussions is normally also on >> the lists as proposals or announcements.
> First of all an objection to the basic principle: the fact that the > project "does not seem" to be able to have constructive discussion is > not an argument for not having them. I believe that given your role you > should show *how* to have such (public) constructive discussions, using > all mean necessaries, instead of avoid trying. Sorry, but trying to have a constructive discussion in between complaints, hijack scenarios and ill informed suggestions does not look very tempting to me and quite frankly I don't know how to make such a discussion constructive. > But quite obviously, the time lag between the private discussion and the > disclosure is problematic. Have it long and you risk upsetting people > when it is discovered that the private discussion has not been disclosed > (this thread is an example); have it short (ideally 0) and people will > be happy. If there is some reason not to disclose the actual outcome > yet, just tell people that something is being done, by whom, and > how. Communicate even if it only for a ping and less people will get > upset: it will take anyhow less time than having to fight, later on, in > threads like this. Sorry, but I cannot disclose what is told to me in private. > Heck, during the past months I know that you (again, as in DPL+2IC) have > been doing stuff, quite a lot of very good stuff in fact, but nobody > knows that, beside who has spoken to you via some private media (I'm one > of them). > That's not annoying, it's just a pity. It is annoying, though as said above things told to me in private are not getting disclosed on the lists. Unfortunately that means almost every DPL contact. Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
