On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Michael Gilbert wrote: > First of all, I think it is useful to analyze Ubuntu's motivation -- > releasing well-integrated bleeding-edge software. The easiest way to > accomplish this goal is by branching from sid. This means that Ubuntu > libraries differ from the stable Debian release. Hence, Debian stable > (and sid/testing) packages are incompatible with the Ubuntu libraries;
Most packages from sid and Ubuntu are compatible. > thus creating the need for duplicate packaging work by both the Ubuntu > and Debian communities. And in several cases, the work done by Ubuntu is reused by Debian and vice-versa. There's some duplicate work done but the idea is to reduce it and not to augment it (see reasoning below). > The solution would be to convince Ubuntu to branch from stable instead > of sid. The problem is that this creates a lot of work for Ubuntu Understand that Ubuntu is doing work on packages based on our sid packages. This means that the changes they do can (sometimes) be applied back to our sid packages where we *do* our work. In this way Ubuntu helps Debian. Their work would be almost useless if they did it on our stable version, since stable doesn't evolve in Debian. > undertaking. Maybe a solution would be to force the sid GNOME release > (and hence the upstream GNOME) to use the Debian stable GTK. This can't work. While we can discuss with upstream, we can't force anything. And any upstream has tons of good reasons to use newer libs... that's how we improve free software ! > Obviously this would have some major political issues. How can we Indeed. > backport support for newer hardware, which may involve backporting > newer kernels or backporting support for newer hardware into the > stable kernel. Which also means updating lots of utilities (udev, anyone?) and in fact your "stable" wouldn't be stable any more ... > One final open-ended question is: which consumes more resources? > Duplicate packaging or backporting? Backporting is a packaging work ... a special kind of it but backporting is not always straightforward and can't always be done without upgrading other softwares. So the answer is "it depends". In the end, I doubt that your proposal could work. You said in turn "it means more work for Ubuntu, it means more work for Debian and it requires to force upstream to use older libs". That's simply not possible. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
