On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 20:31:53 -0500, Ed Sweetman wrote:
Ok, i'm not subscribed here so please cc me any responses directly.
Before I propose my suggestion I want to outline my issues with how meta
pkgs are done currently.
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The problem #2: Meta pkgs in debian are one way. Removing a meta pkg
doesn't remove or even check for the pkgs it installed to see if they
are no longer dependent on anything or ask the user if they want to
remove them. Because of problem #1, removing a meta pkg isn't even
Aptitude does this per default.
So does debfoster, but how can aptitude remove the meta package, and
attempt to remove all the pkgs that were installed because of it, when
you removed one of those pkgs yourself before and that caused the pkg
manager to remove the meta pkg.
say you installed mymetapkg. mymetapkg installs something the
maintainer thought was really useful to it, but not interdependent with
the rest of the pkgs. Now you decide you dont want that nifty pkg that
got installed when you installed mymetapkg, you remove it. pkg manager
removes the pkg "mymetapkg" too because it depends on that nifty other
pkg. Now a while later you decide you dont want mymetapkg because you
hate it or whatever, now what do you do? Reinstall the mymetapkg pkg to
remove it? Using the Suggests field instead of Depends ensures this is
never a problem. It fixes every issue there is with having meta pkgs
use dependencies to get the other pkgs installed, without any drawbacks.
aptitude can't do this. so saying this is something aptitude can do is
completely wrong. If the pkg isn't installed, aptitude doesn't respond
with any action when asked to remove it.
It just doesn't make as much sense to use depends than suggests..
aptitude already supports installing/retrieving via suggests, removing
those installed real pkgs wouldn't remove the meta pkg with suggests,
where as in depends it does. This makes removal of the meta pkg
possible (and it's installed pkgs) a much more straightforward and
logical process later on, no regexps or state juggling or black magic is
required. only the "simple" feature of removing suggested pkgs,
perhaps via an argument/option similar to the one used to install
suggested pkgs.
Suggests solves this annoying issue with meta pkgs with extremely minor
changes to the way the pkgs are made (s/Depends/Suggests) and for
removal, an argument/option that's selectable to tell aptitude to try
removing suggested pkgs in the given pkg if they're installed.
Oh, and if i'm missusing Suggests when in fact, aptitude uses Recommends
to install non-"depends" pkgs, then replace all my usages of Suggests
with Recommends.
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