On dim., 2011-03-13 at 18:34 +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: 
> reopen 613491

First of all, note that the next time you do that, I will request
blacklisting for your address on the BTS email gateway.

> even figuring out something simple, like how to disable the
> privacy-infringing & security-reducing user list(*) on the
> login screen is beyond the average user that the cretinous
> over-simplification trend of gnome "improvements" is supposed
> to cater for.  How many of them are going to figure out that
> you need to edit /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults and add
> "/apps/gdm/simple-greeter/disable_user_list true"?

Apparently you found out.

Feel free to provide documentation improvements to the gdm3 package.
However all the keys you complain about are already listed in the
configuration file, for which there is a pointer in README.Debian.

> (*) the fact that Apple does it with Mac OS X and Microsoft does it
> with Windows does not make it a good idea or worthy of copying as the
> default. it takes away one of the things (the username) that someone
> needs to know in order to compromise an account on the system, so
> two-factor auth is now reduced to one-factor.

Oh wow. When you are *that* clueless, it just makes anything you could
say about security void.

> and more complicated options like setting a timed or automatic login
> (useful e.g. for setting up an "appliance" like a mythtv frontend, to
> have it auto-login to the mythtv user) will be essentially impossible
> for the avg user.

Oh? I thought you had a look at the configuration application, since you
complained about it. Apparently not.

> and HTF do you change the background image and "theme" for the login
> screen? i can't figure it out, nor do i want to have to spend hours
> hunting for a hint in the woefully incomplete and generally abysmal
> quality gnome documentation.

It’s in the same file you already modified.

> all of these options and more are easily available and *OBVIOUS* in the
> old gdm Login Window preferences dialog. and completely missing from the
> gdm3 dialog.  WTF?

Sorry but I don’t consider the old gdm configuration dialog as a model
of intuitiveness and good UI.

> upgrades are supposed to bring *improvements*, not massive regressions.

Shit happens. But overall gdm3 is a huge improvement, especially in
terms of a11y. I feel it’s more important that pleasing a pair of
whiners with the shape of the configuration dialog.

> OK, the actual issues here are Gnome's fault but prematurely removing
> gdm from debian is debian's fault.

Prematurely? Are you aware that we kept it in Debian for longer than any
other distribution, and that it is still here for 3 years, the lifetime
of squeeze?

> (and yes, i am annoyed...but my annoyance is with the Gnome devs who
> seem determined to take what WAS shaping up to be a good desktop
> environment and turning it into a steaming turd. debian can and should
> be making more of an effort to insulate users from dumb upstream
> decisions)

If you have enough time to spend on Debian to fork upstream software,
please go ahead.

Otherwise, please stop hijacking closed bugs and waste people’s time.

Kthxbye,
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  `-    […] I will see what I can do for you.”  -- Jörg Schilling

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