On 03/13/2011 10:31 PM, Craig Sanders wrote:
> reopen 613491
> thanks
> 
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 02:54:12PM +0000, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>> On -10/01/37 20:59, Craig Sanders wrote:
>>> reopen 613491
>>> thanks
>>
>> Reopening RM bugs is pointless... we can't remove a package twice :)
> 
> the point is that it shouldn't have been removed.
> 
> undo, rather than redo.

removals are not undone, though you're free to upload a new revision as
already indicated.

>>> gdm3 is NOT an adequate replacement for gdm. useful features that are
>>> readily apparent and easily configurable in gdm are either missing
>>> completely or hidden in gdm3.
>>
>> File bugs (ideally upstream).
> 
> pointless. gnome's obsession with over-simplification of software is
> exceeded only by their refusal to see any other POV, their willingness
> to censor/delete bug reports that point out the problems caused by their
> short-sighted decisions and ban from their bugzilla people who submit
> them.

So why do you expect its packagers to fork or take over upstream of gdm?

>>> OK, the actual issues here are Gnome's fault but prematurely removing
>>> gdm from debian is debian's fault.
>>
>> No, it's not.
> 
> yes it is. was there any actual need to remove gdm? it has existed in
> the debian repository alongside gdm3 for ages. it doesn't conflict with
> the current gnome libs (it's still installed and working on systems
> built before gdm was removed).

There is no upstream anymore...

>> You have three options. Fork gdm, become upstream for it, and get it 
>> packaged.
> 
> why should that be necessary?  gdmm still works, there was no need to remove 
> it.

Security support as a start.

>> Help improve gdm3. 
> 
> impossible.  would conflict with the gnome obsession with over-simplification
> and cretinisation of software. 
> 
>> Or switch to something else. 
> 
> what else?
> 
> kdm?  i don't want to have all the kde libraries running as well as the gnome
> libraries just to have a login screen.
> 
> xdm, or wdm? ancient - are they even maintained upstream any more? do
> they offer a choice of window manager and/or session manager at login
> time?
> 
> slim? that's even more minimalist than gdm3.
> 
> so your suggestion to work around the fact that gdm3 is an inadequate 
> replacement
> for gdm is to use some other inadequate replacement for gdm.  

Maybe they are willing to improve to the point where gdm was?

> i prefer option four: submit a bug report to debian saying that the removal of
> gdm from debian was a mistake and should be reversed.

Which is pointless unless you find someone that wants to take over upstream.

Cheers

Luk



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