On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 05:50:08PM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > > Given that half of the packages does that in the postinst, that's a lot > > to change. Until they are all changed, that just makes this change > > totally impossible. > > Fair enough; that does seem like the biggest issue. Would you consider > this change if those packages did so? Most packages don't do so by > hand, so fixing the various package-building helper packages would get > most of the way there.
Probably not, I personally don't see the point of changing libc-bin to a recommends. It's going to cause to many problems, for so little gain. > (Also briefly entertaining the notion of having some kind of divertable > ldconfig -> /bin/true link. :) There's also the long-standing > discussion about triggerizing ldconfig, though I realize that proves > fairly intricate.) > > > > /usr/bin/catchsegv > > > > Ok > > > > > /usr/bin/getconf > > > > Required by POSIX > > > > > /usr/bin/getent > > > /usr/bin/iconv > > > > Required by POSIX > > > > > /usr/bin/ldd > > > > Ok > > > > > /usr/bin/localedef > > > /usr/bin/locale > > > > Required by POSIX > > > > > /usr/bin/tzselect > > > /usr/bin/rpcinfo > > > /usr/bin/zdump > > > > Ok > > > > > None required for a running system, just generally useful. > > > > As said above, most of them are need for POSIX compliance, they have to > > stay on the system. > > I had no idea. That does seem to argue for the "Essential: yes" you > suggest below, in which case reversing the dependency seems like the > best solution. > > > > So, in general, nothing in libc-bin has to exist for the system to work, > > > and only one thing (ldconfig) needs some extra care to make sure the > > > system can cope without its presence. > > > > Half of the tool are necessary for POSIX compliance. Also libc-bin 2.13 > > now provides a C.UTF-8 locale for Debian Policy compliance. > > Oh, awesome. I had no idea. Thank you very much, I look forward to > that. > > Any straightforward way for a script (.bashrc, for instance) to detect > the existence of C.UTF-8 in order to use it in preference to en_US.UTF-8 > if present? I have nothing ready, but you can probably try to set the locale, and look for errors. > > While I agree it's possible to run a half-broken system without libc-bin, > > that doesn't mean you just want it to be recommended. libc-bin is less > > than 750kB when installed, if you really want to gain space, I would > > suggest you to start by looking at essential packages (or their > > dependencies) taking a few MB. > > > > That's simply a wontfix for now, just to leave you the right to answer. > > Otherwise I would just close this bug. Seriously if you want to make so > > small system that you don't want to install libc-bin, just have a look > > at emdebian or other solutions. > > Might you consider moving the manpages to glibc-doc or similar, perhaps? No, that's against Policy 12.1. -- Aurelien Jarno GPG: 1024D/F1BCDB73 aurel...@aurel32.net http://www.aurel32.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
