> Hi Jonas. > First of all, I'd be glad if you "hijack" the packages, but I'd like to > explain to you their current situation: > > - etoys: it has some important bugs related to the way the squeak image is > bootstraped. Now it's impossible to technically confirm that the whole image > is free, because it's impossible to rebuild the image from scratch. There is > an effort in the squeak community to make that possible, but the steps are > being taken very slowly. That's why I haven't updated that package. Redo the > package with the new image is easy and can be done pretty fast, so you won't > have problems with this package.
Well, Etoys 4 is the license-clean version. We still can't rebuild it from source even though all the sources are there, yes, but that's just how Smalltalk works. > -squeak-vm: I'd like to continue maintaining this package, but there was > inside the squeak community some people (Bert among them) who didn't like > the way I do the package because they have done a different debianization. If I gave that impression, I'm sorry. I can't remember the details. I myself never worked on debianization. And in the end, don't pay attention to the nay-sayers, it's the doers who rule :) > The problem is the way the package is focused: I focused it to use Squeak in > education, so I added desktop integration, mime types and launchers for > kde/gnome. That sounds perfect for Etoys. Are you sure I was opposed? > They focused the package in using squeak to develop, so the > launcher is console based, allowing more parameters to launch squeak in > different ways. Trying to solve this problem I created an alioth project: > https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-squeak/ , I added the "other" people > as administrator and developper and upload my debianization (that includes > some fixes for the current package in Debian). That was seven months ago, > and since then, no one has added anything or argue anything in the mailing > lists. Yes, I'm surprised nothing is happening there. I subscribed a couple of months ago, and have at least sent new version announcements. I also directed all people interested in Debian and Ubuntu to that list. > So, I'm a little frozen with the package, as I could do a new upload > with "my" debianization, but I would like to do it together with the rest of > the people who have worked on it inside the Squeak community. I've used > Squeak a lot , and know pretty well the image and smalltalk, but about the > vm, I do know that there are people there who know much better its insides. Well IMHO you should simply do that. The others are obviously not interested any more. > Squeak is a really weird project inside the Debian rules, and its > debianization have some problems that are really hard to solve inside > Debian. > So, now you know the situation, and can decide: you can continue what I did > and ignore the problems that both, Debian and Squeak communities are > raising, or try to fight against the giants of the different egos to fix > them. In any case, you have my support if you hijack the packages, or if you > want my help to do new uploads. > > Cheers. > José L. Let me know if I can be of help. And Jonas: great you're getting the ball rolling again! - Bert - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
