Hi Herbert On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 05:14:17PM +0100, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:57:14PM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Hi Holger and Herbert > > > Now I'm a bit puzzled. I'm still maintaining newvserver as I'm the > > maintainer of the vserver-debiantool package. The newvserver tool is > > quite far from what it once was as I have changed it rather lot of > > times. > > well, I couldn't care less about debian and what they > do to their users, but I start caring when folks come > to the Linux-VServer channel with debian specific > problems (often related to vserver-debiantools) and > no maintainer near or far who would care ...
Please direct their question to me if they have any. I'm available using email (will most likely respond the same day) or if they see a bug a bug report against the package is welcome. > > What it basically is nowdays is a wrapper around the vserver build > > command. > > Linux-VServer is distribution agnostic (compared to > other virtualization solutions, which focus on certain > distros) and as we see it, that is one big advantage, > i.e. if you know how to use Linux-VServer on redhat, > you can also maintain and use it on gentoo or slackware > just debian always needs to be 'different' (which starts > with the unusual place for the guests, goes over special > patches to util-vserver and ends with vserver-debiantools) I fully agree that this is a very good advantage. > > Have you seen a specific problem with it, because from what I know > > the tool still work fine and can install lenny. > > can it install fedora or gentoo too? Have not tested. It may or may not work. > what about cloning guests (unification)? No support for that. > does it handle flags or vlan devices? As far as I know, yes. > note: I haven't looked at it, and I do not use it, and > as I do not really use debian either, it doesn't matter > much to me. > > > I maintain it because I liked the simplicity of the newvserver syntax > > and it also has a few features added to it to speed up installation > > process of many vservers. > > fair enough, but if you have 'features' to speed up > installation, then they should be fed back (upstream) > to the util-vserver maintainers, so that other host > distributions benefit from them too Good point. The support is simple. After install the deb packages are put in a specific directory. If a new server is installed they are copied in to the apt cache directory before install starts. This makes downloading using apt much faster as most (or all) packages are already there. This only works with apt, and I do not know enough about automatic rpm installtion to tell if it would be easy to do there. > > However if you can see a major problem with the tool, please tell me > > about it. > > I think most folks, who have problems with them, come > to the Linux-VServer channel, complain there, get the > advice to scratch them and update util-vserver, and then > forget about it, because everything works as expected. I see. That can explain why I do not get so many questions or bug reports. > If you care about that, just hang around on the channel > and whenever a debian person with problems drops by, you > get first hand information ... Unfortunatly I do not have enough time to hang around in IRC channels. I maintain about 65 debian packages, work full time (non open source work) and drive a private company as well. :-) Best regards, // Ola > best, > Herbert > > > Best regards, > > > // Ola > > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 03:57:35PM +0100, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 03:23:22PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > > package: vserver-debiantools > > > > severity: important > > > > x-debbugs-cc: debian-ker...@lists.debian.org, herb...@13thfloor.at, > > > > dec...@jadplace.com, vser...@list.linux-vserver.org, mi...@riseup.net, > > > > debian-rele...@lists.debian.org > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > On Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > > > > please do not hijack threads, and please (for your > > > > > own good) do not use newvserver :) > > > > > > > > After reading this I asked Herbert (who is upstream for vserver) if > > > > newvserver > > > > shouldnt be shipped as part of lenny and his reply was, that it's so > > > > broken & > > > > unmaintained, that it should have been removed three years ago. Yet it > > > > is > > > > still included in the vserver-debiantools package in lenny. > > > > > > > > Please remove at least newvserver from vserver-debiantools. > > > > > > > > According to apt-file, vserver-debiantools in lenny contains nthe > > > > following > > > > files: > > > > > > > > vserver-debiantools: /etc/vservers/newvserver-vars > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/dupvserver > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/newnfsvserver > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/newvserver > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/stripserver > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/doc/vserver-debiantools/README > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/doc/vserver-debiantools/changelog.gz > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/doc/vserver-debiantools/copyright > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/dupvserver.1.gz > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/newnfsvserver.1.gz > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/newvserver.1.gz > > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/stripserver.1.gz > > > > > > > > I wonder if the others are up2date and useful - I'm just using the > > > > stuff from > > > > util-vserver and never used vserver-debiantools. Herbert? > > > > > > I doubt they are up-to-date, and they are definitely not > > > used or needed to handle or maintin a Linux-VServer guest. > > > > > > best, > > > Herbert > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Holger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------- Ola Lundqvist --------------------------- > > / o...@debian.org Annebergsslingan 37 \ > > | o...@inguza.com 654 65 KARLSTAD | > > | http://inguza.com/ +46 (0)70-332 1551 | > > \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > -- --- Inguza Technology AB --- MSc in Information Technology ---- / o...@inguza.com Annebergsslingan 37 \ | o...@debian.org 654 65 KARLSTAD | | http://inguza.com/ Mobile: +46 (0)70-332 1551 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / --------------------------------------------------------------- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". 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