On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:57:14PM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hi Holger and Herbert
> Now I'm a bit puzzled. I'm still maintaining newvserver as I'm the > maintainer of the vserver-debiantool package. The newvserver tool is > quite far from what it once was as I have changed it rather lot of > times. well, I couldn't care less about debian and what they do to their users, but I start caring when folks come to the Linux-VServer channel with debian specific problems (often related to vserver-debiantools) and no maintainer near or far who would care ... > What it basically is nowdays is a wrapper around the vserver build > command. Linux-VServer is distribution agnostic (compared to other virtualization solutions, which focus on certain distros) and as we see it, that is one big advantage, i.e. if you know how to use Linux-VServer on redhat, you can also maintain and use it on gentoo or slackware just debian always needs to be 'different' (which starts with the unusual place for the guests, goes over special patches to util-vserver and ends with vserver-debiantools) > Have you seen a specific problem with it, because from what I know > the tool still work fine and can install lenny. can it install fedora or gentoo too? what about cloning guests (unification)? does it handle flags or vlan devices? note: I haven't looked at it, and I do not use it, and as I do not really use debian either, it doesn't matter much to me. > I maintain it because I liked the simplicity of the newvserver syntax > and it also has a few features added to it to speed up installation > process of many vservers. fair enough, but if you have 'features' to speed up installation, then they should be fed back (upstream) to the util-vserver maintainers, so that other host distributions benefit from them too > However if you can see a major problem with the tool, please tell me > about it. I think most folks, who have problems with them, come to the Linux-VServer channel, complain there, get the advice to scratch them and update util-vserver, and then forget about it, because everything works as expected. If you care about that, just hang around on the channel and whenever a debian person with problems drops by, you get first hand information ... best, Herbert > Best regards, > // Ola > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 03:57:35PM +0100, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 03:23:22PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > package: vserver-debiantools > > > severity: important > > > x-debbugs-cc: debian-ker...@lists.debian.org, herb...@13thfloor.at, > > > dec...@jadplace.com, vser...@list.linux-vserver.org, mi...@riseup.net, > > > debian-rele...@lists.debian.org > > > thanks > > > > > > On Dienstag, 27. Januar 2009, Herbert Poetzl wrote: > > > > please do not hijack threads, and please (for your > > > > own good) do not use newvserver :) > > > > > > After reading this I asked Herbert (who is upstream for vserver) if > > > newvserver > > > shouldnt be shipped as part of lenny and his reply was, that it's so > > > broken & > > > unmaintained, that it should have been removed three years ago. Yet it is > > > still included in the vserver-debiantools package in lenny. > > > > > > Please remove at least newvserver from vserver-debiantools. > > > > > > According to apt-file, vserver-debiantools in lenny contains nthe > > > following > > > files: > > > > > > vserver-debiantools: /etc/vservers/newvserver-vars > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/dupvserver > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/newnfsvserver > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/newvserver > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/sbin/stripserver > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/doc/vserver-debiantools/README > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/doc/vserver-debiantools/changelog.gz > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/doc/vserver-debiantools/copyright > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/dupvserver.1.gz > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/newnfsvserver.1.gz > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/newvserver.1.gz > > > vserver-debiantools: /usr/share/man/man1/stripserver.1.gz > > > > > > I wonder if the others are up2date and useful - I'm just using the stuff > > > from > > > util-vserver and never used vserver-debiantools. Herbert? > > > > I doubt they are up-to-date, and they are definitely not > > used or needed to handle or maintin a Linux-VServer guest. > > > > best, > > Herbert > > > > > regards, > > > Holger > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > --------------------- Ola Lundqvist --------------------------- > / o...@debian.org Annebergsslingan 37 \ > | o...@inguza.com 654 65 KARLSTAD | > | http://inguza.com/ +46 (0)70-332 1551 | > \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / > --------------------------------------------------------------- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
