On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 01:07, Dmitry Smirnov <only...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Thursday, 30 April 2020 11:08:00 PM AEST Ondřej Surý wrote: > > No, please stop. It’s perfectly OK for a package to depend on systemd > > services. > > Why such hostility?? Yes it is OK but it would be even better to avoid > hard > dependency. > Because we had several years long discussion that ended with GR that explicitly stated that it's OK to use systemd facilities. And yet, the "oh, no, systemd" narrative pops again and again. > Pulling systemd into application containers is less than useless (and > perhaps > even harmful) because systemd is dysfunctional in containers and it > prevents > SysV init scripts from being used. > That's not true. systemd != systemd-sysvrc > Without systemd I could use "systemctl" replacement but hard dependency on > systemd blocks that option... > Then focus on fixing this. > > > Also, what is "systemd-tmpfiles"?? How is it useful? Is it an artefact > > > from the past? > > > > This is done as a courtesy, so you can actually use equivs (+ f.e. > > opentmpfiles). > > But "opentmpfiles" do not provide "systemd-tmpfiles" hence there is no way > to > avoid installing "systemd" when PHP-FPM is required. > Then focus on fixing this. > -- > Cheers, > Dmitry Smirnov. > > --- > > The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those > that speak it. > -- George Orwell >
