On 01-05-2015 09:07, Michael Tokarev wrote:
Well, it is certainly the best way for someone. It is not the best way for me
and all brazilian users, as we have been applying this patch for years:
It is the best way for everyone, to finally stop people
applying local patches. I don't see what you're arguing
against.
I am arguing against Debian not helping its users. It would be the
optimum solution if upstream fixed the problem.
but does not solve this 1 (one) line problem. On the other hand, Debian usually
applies patches to solve bugs that eventually are adopted by upstream so I do
not see why this could not be the case given that Jessie was just released and
we will have two years of Debian unstable development from now.
And before applying, I need to hear reaction from someone
who actually understands how the table which is being
patches is used, and why it is used this way. We had
enough "fixes" which broke some other setups, or plain
wrong features rejected by upstream for good reason but
which we had to support for years because users relied
on them.
I hope you had also cases of success, when a patch solved Debian users'
problems and was afterwards adopted by upstream, who recognized the effort.
The best info about this prob is present at
http://blog.nielshorn.net/2011/03/qemu-and-brazilian-keyboards/ ,
and that post talks about several issues there, while the
patch you're talking about addresses only one.
That patch is obviously wrong, but it served as a starting point for
others to find the correct keycode. I did not realize that keypad period
was missing, I will update my patch that I foresee will be in use for
many many years.
This is exactly why I said the best is to talk with the
upstream.
It is great that you talked to upstream. You are a Debian maintainer,
not some obscure brazilian user with some obscure keyboard used only by
200 million people, they may hear you. So I thank you very much for that.
Apparently it is not as good for you as whining
at debian maintainers.
I never compared "talking to upstream" to "whining at debian
maintainers". Upstream was already called years before this "whiner"
called you. I am arguing favor Debian solves some users problems until
upstream does. I never thought that that was going to be called
"whining" and I am sorry for that. I am not going to stop bug reporting
because of this incident, though.
And this is exactly what I actually
did, pinging the developers after you submitted this bug
report, effectively reminding me about this problem again,
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/333402 .
Again, thank you very much. I feel that my bug report was worth.
I don't want wrong or half-backed or even broken solutions.
And I don't need any excuses for that.
Then you should not have started your reply with an excuse, but with
this very reasonable argument. "I don't understand the code and I feel
unsure to apply this patch."
Thank you,
/mjt
Thank you,
João Luis.
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