On September 10, 2014 1:13:39 AM CEST, Per Andersson <avtob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>(Adding the maintainer to Cc directly.)
>
>Hi!
>
>First of all, I am sorry that I insulted you Stas; please accept my
>sincere apology and accept my full respect onwards.


Thank you Per and apologies accepted.

>Secondly, great that you replaced Vault boy and I Feel Good!
>Thanks.
>
>Third, this package needs a debian/copyright file that lists the
>copyright for all files correctly. (If you wish to help the maintainer
>with this Stas that would be great!)

I feel that it would be very difficult to come up with such a list due to the 
fact that a number of games and their associated 'media' files are created by 
different people and it's not always clear where the files come from. Some of 
the games are 6 years or more old and some of the original authors aren't 
easily found anymore. (Students for example)
I always asked the people to make sure the files they included were free but 
it's near impossible to make sure they are or where they come from.
I also tried to make sure I never used non-free files and when something is 
placed in the public domain or comes from another project that has stated it 
was free to use I assumed they were unless someone would say otherwise.

I have always had a piece of text inside the 'in game' copyright text stating 
that when somebody thought some media file wasn't free they should contact me 
and I would remove it immediately.
It has always been enough these last 10 years. And I never had any problems 
with it as people understood the problems with these files and claims. (It 
happened only twice in 10 years)
It's very difficult or near impossible to be sure about every media file in 
projects like this. There are many people/websites/games claiming copyright or 
no copyright on the same mediafile which makes it impossible to know who is 
right.

As I said, I can never be 100% sure everything inside childsplay is free, that 
was a valid point you made, so I assume it can never be part of the Debian 
distro.
That was my reason to ask you to remove it.
I will also refrase the claim that everything is under the gpl and move the 
childsplay package from savannah to github or back to sourceforge.

>
>[Stas]
>> It's replaced with a free sample from the "freebies" section of
>> http://www.samplephonics.com
>
>My concern is that these samples are not free as in DFSG free.

I know, I've contact them to ask if the license also applies to their 
'freebies' section as it's not very clear.
I haven't yet received a reply.

But again, please remove childsplay from Debian as I can never be sure about 
every file inside childsplay.
It's a problem with many programs that have a lot of graphics and sounds. I'm 
sure that if you looked closely to similar programs you can find files of 
questionable origin.

Btw, childsplay is since 2013 in 'maintenance mode' and the next version will 
be a mobile/tablet version.


>At
>
>    http://www.samplephonics.com/contact#license
>
>the following can be read
>
>License Agreement
>
>All products from Samplephonics are sold as 'royalty free,' which
>means that they are licensed, not sold to you, by Samplephonics.
>Samplephonics is either the owner or entitled licensee of the products
>on sale. By making payment for a product you are granted the right to
>incorporate them in a music production, film, tv program, website or
>other media production, without paying any additional royalties,
>license fees, or any other fees to Samplephonics or any third parties.
>
>Copying, re-selling, leasing, duplicating or distribution in any form
>of the products for sale, other than outlined in the 'License
>Agreement', is strictly prohibited. This extends, but is not limited,
>to file sharing websites, web forums, computer networks and file
>hosting websites. Products cannot be distributed in their original
>format or sold in a manner that would be considered competitive with
>the nature of Samplephonics' business, outlined in 'About
>Samplephonics.' Everything else on the website is licensed to
>Samplephonics, including artwork, source code, materials, audio demos,
>graphics, text and logos and protected by copyright and intellectual
>property laws.
>
>
>--
>Per

Regards,
Stas Zytkiewicz

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