On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 07:22:47PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2005 at 06:04:43PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> >>
> >> In this case, the main motivation is not disk space. Rather, it is
> >> bandwidth and, in particular, installation time (the latter being
> >
> > If the only difference of tetex-bin-nox is that the binaries depending
> > on X11 libraries are omitted this saves you perhaps 1% or 2% of a
> > tetex-bin + tetex-base installation.
>
> The difference is that the buildd's won't need to download and install
> several xlibs just because they need to run pdflatex or latex;dvips
> during a package build. Not to mention that we plan to make tetex-base
> considerably smaller.
"download" is not a problem since looking through builld logs it seems
every buildd caches the packages.
And installation of some libraries doesn't seem to tae that much time.
Oh, and for Debian stable users it will take until 2008 or 2009 until
they can get a smaller tetex-base package - for the release of etch
(scheduled for the end of 2006), tetex-base needs to depend on all
pacakges that were split away.
> >> probably more important on buildds) for packages that Build-Depend on
> >> tetex-bin, and the wish not to install xlibs on a server (that creates
> >
> > If someone needs the "convert" program he simply adds a build dependency
> > on imagemagick and look how much this pulls in.
> >
> > You can optimize for many different things, and I'd personally consider
> > the user-visible points mirror and CD space and the number of packages
> > in the archive more important than a few seconds speedup at build time.
>
> Other people have requested that, and I cannot judge who has more
> experience with buildds. On the other hand, I can very well understand
It would be good if Debian had a policy which of the many conflicting
goals were a priority...
> the wish to have a server running that is able to produce PDF from *TeX
> source, but has no trace of X11 installed.
I like Debian, but for such people a distribution like Gentoo is a
better choice.
> >> PDF files) for tetex-bin as a Depends or for direct installation.
> >
> > The only real problem eith installing X11 libraries on a server is in
> > the case of limited space. And if the space is that limited (which is
> > quite rare), a distribution like Gentoo is a better choice.
>
> Others would advocate that there are good reasons not to have X on a
> server. I don't want to argue about that, I simply hear it. And it
> adds one more argument in favor of a -nox.
It's not about X, it's about a few additional libraries on a server.
we are not talking about a running daemon, something listening on a
port, or installed suid binaries.
> > The question is for how many of these > 95% a few MB of disk space do
> > matter compared to the confusion because of having to choose from many
> > packages a subset sufficient for their usage.
>
> Avoiding confusion is a question of clever naming, Dependencies and a
> transition strategy, isn't it?
In the best case, it isn't worse than before...
> > And if they get teTeX through a task, they will anyways most likely get
> > everything.
>
> There's no task: TeX any more. That is an important point to consider.
How will an average user install teTeX?
Mst likely through a metapackage depending on everything like
apt-get install tetex
And this should install at least the complete teTeX.
> Regards, Frank
cu
Adrian
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