> What do you mean by "without talking to the data-store directly"?

The phrase 'talking to the data-store directly' is from the online
Datamapper documentation under the section titled 'Talking directly to
your data-store': http://datamapper.org/docs/find.html

>  I can't immediately fathom what any ORM's behaviour should be

In ActiveRecord I can create outer joins using sql fragments:

  Privilege.select("privileges.user_id, privileges.description,
users.user_name ").joins('LEFT OUTER JOIN users ON privileges.user_id
= users.id').where("privileges.description = 'delete rights' ")

This would return to me an ActiveRecord object.


On Dec 7, 3:40 pm, Jordan Ritter <[email protected]> wrote:
> What type of concrete objects would you expect the ORM layer to return, if 
> such a method call existed?  Outer joins tend to be used for getting mixed 
> tuples of data that don't correspond to concrete ORM types.  I can't 
> immediately fathom what any ORM's behaviour should be..
>
> What do you mean by "without talking to the data-store directly"?  The only 
> way I see to do this is to pass the DM adapter the SQL directly, and process 
> the responses as abstract tuples of data (you'll get back an array).  You 
> could hydrate objects yourself manually from there, but YMMV: with any kind 
> of outer join you can end up with nulls, and extra 
> check-fields-before-hydration logic would be crappy to deal with (and why 
> bother - this is DM's job to begin with).
>
> FWIW, you might consider using direct SQL to conduct your outer join(s) and 
> only retrieve primary keys, then use the ORM to hydrate the objects akin to 
> User.all(:id => [..]).
>
> cheers,
> --jordan
>
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 1:07 PM, terminal_breaker wrote:
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> > Is there a way to do left outer joins in Datamapper without having to
> > resort to talking to the data-store directly. I've been searching the
> > net and the Datamapper docu with not success on details how to do so.
>
> > For example:
>
> > SELECT p.user_id, p.description, u.user_name
> > FROM privileges p
> > LEFT OUTER JOIN users u ON (p.user_id = u.id)
> > WHERE p.description = "delete rights"
>
> > And let's say that I have a User class and a Privilege class too.
>
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