On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Jim Burnes wrote:
> Jim Choate wrote:
>
> > A century ago? You dipshit the Ottoman Empire fell apart in the late
> > 1800's while the first Communist theories formed in the late 1800's and
> > the first communist state formed in 1917.
>
> Actually the first formal Communist theories were formed in the late
> 1700's (about 1792 if I recall correctly). Its been a few years since
> I read the relevant information, but I could look it up.
You're speaking of 'The Communist League' and assorted ilk? hardly what I
would call formal or well organized considering they were a secret
organization because they were considered a threat to national interest.
The League called a meeting in London in 1847 to draw up a theoretical and
practical description of their goals. They apparently weren't satisfied
with the documentation they had.
It wasn't until Engles and Marx wrote the "The Communist Manifestor" as a
consequence that 'communism' became anything remotely 'formal' (whatever
that means).
"The Communist Manifesto" after all was first printed in London - Feb.
1848. I believe the first translation was printed in or about 1872. It
wasn't until those translations in the very late 1800's that it enjoyed
any sort of exposure or popularity.
As I said, it wasn't until the late-1800's that it really had any sort of
organization to speak of.
> > Fucking historical revisionist...
>
> Jeez. Starting in with the ad hominems already.
Really? Where did I say YOU were a revisionist? I expressed a generic view
of historical revisionist in general. If the shoe fits wear it. I do admit
it was meant to flush the bushes.
> > > Between the two World Wars, Romania was one of the richest countries in
> > > Eastern Europe; we had a gold coin, we exported grains to the whole Europe,
> >
> > ONLY because the Allies who WON WWII set it up that way. Didn't manage to
> > keep it long did you....
>
> I think you meant won WW I.
Correct, my typo.
The point being that the reason that Romania and these other countries
enjoyed their short-lived prosperity was at the expence of the Germans.
Rob Peter to pay Paul.
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