Harmon Seaver writes:
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> Fascism is the melding of evil governments and evil corporations. The
> US government today is clearly fascist. Tim, with his preference of fascist
> regimes over anything even smacking of social justice, coupled with his
> racism and anti-semeticism, is clearly a Nazi.
Tim has never (that I've seen) expressed any preference for fascist
or Nazi regimes. In every case, he has instead called for the
abolition of governments (and most particularly our current government).
OTOH, your message with its whining about how US multinational
corporations are enslaving workers in banana republics clearly
implied a call for government to fix the problem. By his commiepunk
comment, Tim basically just labeled that position as socialist.
I'm not sure that follows directly, but in the context of your other
comments on this list which constantly seem to be calling for
government fixes for what you believe to be social injustices, I'd say
Tim's right on target.
> My understanding of libertarianism is "fiscally conservative and
> socially liberal" -- at least that's how the Libertarian Party calls it.
Not sure where you saw that. I rather doubt you actually got such a
simplistic view from the LP. It would be more accurate to say that
libertarians are "fiscally non-confiscatory and socially agnostic".
Libertarians do not believe in mandatory taxation. And they don't
believe in regulating peaceful voluntary social interactions at all.
> Supporting fascist regimes in Guatemala, for instance, for the profit of
> multinational corporations and against the poor is the antithesis of
> libertarianism.
Yes, and neither Tim nor the LP are in favor of supporting fascist
regimes in Guatemala, or any other fascist regimes, or even any
other regimes at all.
> The peasantry of Latin America has been driven into the
> cities by the "anti-guerilla" actions of the local military (which wouldn't
> be possible without US support), have had their ancestral lands stolen by the
> large corporate agri-business, timber companies, etc., and turned into
> wage-slaves for corporate profit.
This is not and should not be a problem for our government.
> We see the exact same pattern occurring in
> the US, and this pattern is escalating as our local industry moves their
> operations to the Third World, leaving US factory folk, who were making a
> living, sometimes a "good" living, scrambling; and US farmers being kicked
> off the farm in droves by the machinations of corporate agri-business and
> banks/Federal Reserve. They just have a bigger cliff to fall off of, but
> they'll soon be in the same boat as the peasants of Latin America.
The LP (and -- from what I've read over the years -- Tim) favor no taxes
and indeed no laws that do not have to do with prohibiting one person
from causing specific harm to another. So if libertarianism as envisioned
by the LP were actually in effect, the fate of farmers here and elsewhere
would be in their own hands. Don't want to be under the thumb of banks
and "agri-business"? Simple. Then don't borrow money from them. Don't
buy through them. Don't sell through them. They'll have no power over
you. Problem solved.
> Tim thinks this outlook is communist? I think it has to do with basic
> justice and freedom -- and you ain't free if you can't make a decent, living
> wage -- not socialism.
This statement is typical "socialist" foolishness. If you "can't make
a decent, living wage" this makes you un-free? And so, presumably you
would remedy this by having the government or other groups of "men with
guns" steal money from those who ARE able to make a "decent living wage"
and give it to those who can't or wont? And somehow robbing one person
at gunpoint to give to another person makes both of them "free"?
(Let's not even visit your use of the word "justice" here.)
Though it may be somewhat different than the original dictionary
definition, your position is a clear example of what has come to be
known as socialism.
> I hate government, and the more socialism you have,
> the more government you need to make it work, so that isn't the solution.
> The solution for Guatemala, as far as I'm concerned, is cutting off all US
> aid to the government,
I'm 100% sure Tim and the LP won't disagree with this but...
> and supplying massive amounts of small arms and rocket
> launchers to the peasants, and let them sort it out.
...let the peasants also buy their own damn arms.
If you "hate government" as you claim, who is it that you think ought
to be sending "small arms and rocket launchers to the peasants". If
you really believed the peasants ought to have them and if you really
hated government, you would be donating your own money and/or arms to
the peasants.
You're clearly just another closet-socialist liar. You don't hate
government; you just hate some of the things it's currently doing and
want to have it do other things instead. You still want to steal
money from the rest of us and use it for things other than what we
would use it for.
A final note:
Tim is constantly being called a Nazi. The only apparent reason for
this is that Tim frequently uses racial and ethnic slurs in his points
(nigger, raghead, "the Zionist worm", etc.).
I suspect Tim does this not out of True Belief in the superiority or
inferiority of different races or ethnicities but just to differentiate
between those who can rub two neurons together and those that can't.
Most newbies to the list (like you, Harmon) see Tim utter a racial slur
and immediately impute all sorts of Nazi-esque political positions to
him that he has never expressed. Don't you get it? He's just doing it
to be politically incorrect; to provoke you into knee-jerk reactions
that betray your inability to think independently. Obviously it works
quite well.
- Frondeur
