thank you, do you have time for a chat now?

On 8/19/2025 7:11 PM, Dominic Oldman wrote:
Hi Martin

Perhaps it could be more compact and self contained? - I have swapped some bits.

This class comprises identifiable immaterial items that are _intended_ to make propositions about reality, often called non-fiction. Deviations with respect to reality are typically unintended errors or poorly supported assumptions, but also different cases of bias discussed in the scientific discourse.

These propositions may be expressed in text, graphics, images, audiograms, videograms or by other similar means.

Typical examples are scientific records and studies, observational data, realistic portraits, depictions of landscapes or buildings, log books of ships and many others. Documentation databases are regarded as instances of E31 Document.

For clarity, an historical novel which may incorporate or is based on facts is not considered a document because it is primarily fiction. Fiction consists of narrative mainly based on imaginary events, people, places, etc.


My Reading Notes:

I had to look up Sinuhe the Egyptian to see what you meant (it's a historical novel!) - but to keep it accessible - is a general statement about historical novels clearer?  I wasn't sure about the IT document differentiation. I didn't know what the Freemason's article was, so it didn't add anything.

Hope this is helpful,

Dominic









On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 at 15:39, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <[email protected]> wrote:

    Dear All,

    I propose the below refinement of the scope note of E31 Document.
    In the past. there had been competing and contradictory
    interpretations
    about a supposed implied truthfulness of the content of an E31
    Document, also with implications for CRMdig, CRMsci and CRMpem.

    Therefore here my attempt of a more elaborate clarification, which
    follows in principle the well-known and well received concept of
    "non-fiction" in library science.

    To be discussed.

    Martin

    E31 Document

    Subclass of:

    E73 <#m_-5793476422756566673__toc8484> Information Object

    Superclass of:

    E32 <#m_-5793476422756566673__toc7921> Authority Document

    Scope note:

    This class comprises identifiable immaterial items that make
    propositions about reality, often called non-fiction.In general,
    it is the implicit or explicitly expressed intention in the
    creation of the item that justifies the classification as an
    instance of E31 Document, which distinguishes it from other kinds,
    such as fiction or software, and not its claimed truthfulness with
    respect to reality.

    These propositions may be expressed in text, graphics, images,
    audiograms, videograms or by other similar means. This class
    should not be confused with the concept “document” in Information
    Technology, which is compatible with E73 Information Object.

    Typical examples are scientific records and studies, observational
    data, realistic portraits, depictions of landscapes or buildings,
    log books of ships and many others. Documentation databases are
    regarded as instances of E31 Document.

    Deviations with respect to reality are typically unintended errors
    or poorly supported assumptions, but also different cases of bias
    discussed in the scientific discourse. It is the task of
    scientists and scholars to assess respective qualities of
    instances of E31 Document. Only if the overall seriousness appears
    not to be given, such as the article by XXX about the Free Masons,
    the documentalist should decide not to classify an item as
    instance of E31 Document. Also, narratives inspired by historical
    or scientific records, such as “Sinuhe the Egyptian” by XXX, are
    not regarded as instances of E31 Document, even though they
    contain some historical knowledge. It is recommended to consult
    the internationally adopted criteria of library science to
    distinguish non-fiction from other genre.

    Examples:

    the Encyclopaedia Britannica (E32) (Kogan, 1958)

    the image content of the photo of the Allied Leaders at Yalta
    published by UPI, 1945 (E36)

    Domesday Book [a manuscript record of the "Great Survey" of much
    of England and parts of Wales completed in 1086 by order of King
    William the Conqueror] (Hallam 1986)

    In first-order logic:

    E31(x) ⇒E73(x)

    Properties:

    P70 <#m_-5793476422756566673__toc10034> documents (is documented
    in): E1 <#m_-5793476422756566673__toc7281> CRM Entity


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 GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece
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