Hi Uwe, all, Am 26.05.21 um 23:04 schrieb Uwe Altmann: > Hi Andreas > > Am 26.05.21 um 21:17 schrieb Andreas Mantke: >>> So go on and...arrange > ^^^^^^^^^^!!! > > That's the point: Stop complaining but go on and nudge a company or a > group of Plone developers to offer something and to give a credible > answer how to ensure 5 years of reliable support on this. As a plone > developer you'll surely know some. > With python we'll have no problem to find someone if we need some > changes in a few years. > your reply showed little up to no knowledge and interest in that CMS/DMS. Why should I bother /nudge Plone developers and ask them to spent time on a proposal? Your response shows a very hostile tone towards the Plone open source community. (for your information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plone_(software) --> first stable release Feb. 2003, last major release July 2019, last security patch: 2021/05/18) (and for the records: I'm not a Plone developer, but developed Plone add-ons)
> >> Maybe it's most easy to complain on this. I offered hands-on workshops >> with no interest from the TDF community in the past. The TDF admin team >> got a training from a Plone core developer some time ago. > > ...what doesn't change anything on the basic problem. We (in contrast > to your opinion) did not first set up plone (or something else) and > then look for people who perhaps maybe want to learn it (which - if we > had found some - would have been at least the second Maybe you have not been part of the crew that worked on the first steps of the project and it's infrastructure. If individuals or small groups wouldn't have set up a website based on Silverstripe (without asking for permissions or without a poll) or a Template and Extension website based on Plone, maybe the project would discuss have discussed about this tooling for month without any visible action. One core principle of the project is that the doers decide the way and you'll find this form of action at many places in the project. This principle will fail (for a volunteer project) once the people that want to tell the doers what and how they had to work, becomes the majority or the bosses. > best solution. But we didn't find them). We have to cut the coat > according to our cloth. (btw.: Similar as the android app. Sad - but > there seems no one out there interested to develop under TDFs umbrella) Great picture with cutting the coat according to the cloth: it reminds me on 'The Emperor's New Clothes'. > >> But there are other software with such Bus_factor in the project, but >> nobody is complaining about that (or not loudly / in public). > > And what does this contribute to the discussion on the MC tooling? > Please stay focused. Sorry Uwe but for years I was bantered by a core member of this project for one mistake which I made in 2012. I never heard something else about other software and volunteers in this project. I did my work for TDF and LibreOffice only on volunteer state without getting any payment or asking for such payment for years. Regards, Andreas -- ## Free Software Advocate ## Plone add-on developer ## My blog: http://www.amantke.de/blog -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
