I am not sure what to do exactly about the underscore and the dueling
requirements for URL and tex. I am also not completely sure about what tex can
handle, also combined with the \url command. One option may be to use a tex
conversion for the underscore, so it its saved as {\_} in .bib, but in BibDesk
it turns up as _.
There is no other place to save anything, the database is the .bib file, it is
the format we save in.
As for the style options, it is a text field, you can just type anything. The
list is just a list of suggestions and standard styles. I don’t know what the
basis is for this list (its made many years ago, and not by me).
Christiaan
> On 23 May 2024, at 02:12, quark67 via Bibdesk-users
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> But if we manually change _ to \_ in the doi or url field (for exporting in a
> .bib file used by LaTeX) BibDesk cannot replace \_ by _ when we click on the
> "@" at right side of doi or url field so the opened url is correct? (keeping
> the real value of doi and url field with \_ so the TeX preview can also be
> used).
>
> Seems not to complicated to do for the computer:
>
> If the user click on "@" in url or doi field, AND there are \_ in the field,
> I copy the content of the field, I replace all occurrences of \_ by _, and
> then I paste the resulted string to the browser so it can open the correct
> URL.
>
> Perhaps I'm missing something obvious. Perhaps, the solution of the "_"
> problem is not for the end user to replace _ by \_ in the url and doi field.
>
> Perhaps a concrete example about how do you manage an entry with _ character
> in doi or url field in BibDesk can be instructive. Thanks.
>
> I also have a suggestion: when we import citations from certains scientific
> journals, they automatically add an abstract in the abstract field, but often
> the abstract is text with Unicode characters (for example: greek letters,
> astronomical symbols). These Unicode characters prevent the TeX Preview to
> run. It will be great if with a bouton we can keep the abstract for later
> reading, but without including it in the .bib file, stored in another place.
> But perhaps this cannot be made with the database structure of BibDesk, if it
> only uses a .bib file for all the stored information. Try with
> https://iopscience.iop.org/export?type=article&doi=10.3847/2041-8213/ab0ec7&exportFormat=iopexport_bib&exportType=abs&navsubmit=Export+abstract
>
> <https://iopscience.iop.org/export?type=article&doi=10.3847/2041-8213/ab0ec7&exportFormat=iopexport_bib&exportType=abs&navsubmit=Export+abstract>.
>
> Also, what about the very few .bst style available in BibTeX style menu? Why
> only English, German, Polish .bst style? If only English .bst style are
> displayed, OK. But making available also German and Polish without other
> languages is strange. Perhaps this question needs another thread.
>
>> Le 23 mai 2024 à 01:19, Christiaan Hofman <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>
>> That is about bibtex, and therefore latex.The TeX preview is generated by
>> laTeX and bibTeX. BibnDesk is just an app that uses it and to maintain the
>> database.
>>
>> Christiaan
>>
>>> On 23 May 2024, at 01:04, quark67 via Bibdesk-users
>>> <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My question is not about LaTeX, it is about BibDesk.
>>>
>>> Steps to reproduce the problem.
>>>
>>> Go to settings, TeX preview, enter "elsarticle-num" without quotes in
>>> BiBTeX style menu/field. Validate.
>>>
>>> Copy:
>>>
>>> @book{wigner,
>>> author = {Eugene Paul Wigner},
>>> doi = {10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9},
>>> publisher = {Springer},
>>> title = {{Gruppentheorie und ihre Anwendung auf die Quantenmechanik der
>>> Atomspektren}},
>>> year = {1931}}
>>>
>>> On BibDesk, add this entry with alt+cmd+L.
>>>
>>> Select this new entry if necessary.
>>>
>>> Click on Editing. On "Doi" field, there is a little icon with "@" at the
>>> right side, if you click, you go to the Springer page about this book.
>>> Works as expected.
>>>
>>> Return on BibDesk app, click on TeX Preview.
>>>
>>> This will work as expected and displays:
>>>
>>> [1] E. P. Wigner, Gruppentheorie und ihre Anwendung auf die Quantenmechanik
>>> der Atomspektren, Springer, 1931. doi:10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9.
>>>
>>> Perfect.
>>>
>>> Yet, copy this entry:
>>>
>>> @Inbook{Wigner1931,
>>> author="Wigner, Eugen",
>>> title="Vektoren und Matrizen",
>>> bookTitle="Gruppentheorie und ihre Anwendung auf die Quantenmechanik der
>>> Atomspektren",
>>> year="1931",
>>> publisher="Vieweg+Teubner Verlag",
>>> address="Wiesbaden",
>>> pages="1--13",
>>> isbn="978-3-663-02555-9",
>>> doi="10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1",
>>> url="https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1>"
>>> }
>>>
>>> On BibDesk, add this entry with alt+cmd+L.
>>>
>>> Select this new entry if necessary.
>>>
>>> Click on Editing. On "Doi" field, tere is a little icon with "@" at the
>>> right side, if you click, you go to the Springer page about the chapter
>>> "Vektoren und Matrizen" of this book. Works as expected.
>>>
>>> Return on BibDesk app, click on TeX Preview.
>>>
>>> No surprise, this don't work, because of the "_" in the doi and the url
>>> field.
>>>
>>> So what to do? Replace _ by \_ in the doi and url field?
>>>
>>> OK, I will try this.
>>>
>>> doi="10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9\_1",
>>> url="https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9\_1
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9/_1>"
>>>
>>> I click on TeX Preview.
>>>
>>> It works. The TeX Preview displays:
>>>
>>> [1] E. Wigner, Vektoren und Matrizen, Vieweg+Teubner Verlag, Wiesbaden,
>>> 1931, pp. 1–13. doi:10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1.
>>> URL https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1>
>>>
>>> Not sure if this is totally correct, because the _ in the url seems not be
>>> a displayed with a tt font.
>>>
>>> But anyway, if you click then on Editing, and the little icon "@" at right
>>> of the field doi (or url), you go to
>>> https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9%5C_1
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9%5C_1> and this display :
>>> DOI NOT FOUND
>>>
>>> (displayed on https://www.doi.org/ <https://www.doi.org/> page).
>>>
>>> So what is the right way to have at the same time:
>>>
>>> a doi with "_" which works with the TeX Preview AND which works when we
>>> click on the "@" icon in the doi field when we are in Editing mode?
>>>
>>> Does BibDesk need an update, so it understands "\_" in the doi field as
>>> "_", or does the TeX Preview (more precisely ~/Library/Application
>>> Support/BibDesk/previewtemplate.tex) be updated so it displays a TeX
>>> Preview even if the doi field contains a "_" (without a backslash) ?
>>>
>>> I know that in pure LaTeX, I cannot directly write
>>> "https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1>", but I can for example load
>>> the package url and then write
>>> \url{https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1
>>> <https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-663-02555-9_1>}.
>>>
>>> But here my question is about what to do in the doi field in BibDesk, so
>>> that:
>>> • click on the "@" icon at right side of the field works ;
>>> • and the TeX preview also works.
>>>
>>> If this is impossible, the better is to remove the "@" icon in the doi and
>>> the url field. Or remove the TeX Preview.
>>>
>>> But I hope there is another solution.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>> Le 22 mai 2024 à 23:03, Christiaan Hofman <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the discussion in
>>>> <https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/383678/underscore-in-bibtex-url
>>>> <https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/383678/underscore-in-bibtex-url>>
>>>> can help.
>>>>
>>>> Christiaan
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 May 2024, at 21:48, quark67 via Bibdesk-users
>>>>> <[email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How to manage the underscore in DOI or url specifically in BibDesk?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the recommended method?
>>>>>
>>>>> We cannot replace "_" by "\_" because in the DOI or url field of BibDesk,
>>>>> there is a little icon which open the browser to the DOI website with the
>>>>> number in the DOI field, or to the url displayed in the url field, and an
>>>>> address like https://www.my-example.com/a\_test
>>>>> <https://www.my-example.com/a/_test> is NOT the same address as the
>>>>> address https://www.my-example.com/a_test
>>>>> <https://www.my-example.com/a_test>.
>>>>>
>>>>> AND if the "_" is not replaced by "\_", the preview TeX for the
>>>>> bibliography entry cannot be created (a red error is displayed instead).
>>>>>
>>>>> So, please, what is the recommendation for this problem? A complete guide
>>>>> to this problem can be useful (on the website or the user help).
>>>>>
>>>>> If the file ~/Library/Application Support/BibDesk/previewtemplate.tex has
>>>>> to be edited for this problem, what is the edit to do? I have tried
>>>>> adding \usepackage[strings]{underscore} in the preamble, but this don't
>>>>> work (suggested here: https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/523253/132405
>>>>> <https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/523253/132405>).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand why the DOI organization has chosen the character "_"
>>>>> as available character for DOI numbers, as the TeX world uses a lot of
>>>>> DOI, and "_" is special in the TeX world, but this is another question,
>>>>> not for here.
>>>>>
>>>>> For testing, I use in the setting, TeX preview, the "elsarticle-num"
>>>>> BiBTeX style (manually entered).
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, why this above popup menu don't display all available .bst in
>>>>> the LaTeX installation, a least the .bst in
>>>>> /usr/local/texlive/2024/texmf-dist/bibtex/bst? If this list is too big,
>>>>> there is perhaps a middle between the actual situation (it displays only
>>>>> abbrv, abbrvnat, acm, alpha, amsalpha, amsplain, apalike, gerabbrv,
>>>>> geralpha, gerapali, gerplain, ieeetr, jurabib, jureco, plabbrv, plalpha,
>>>>> plplain, plainnat, siam. Not abbrv-fr, plain-fr for the French, for
>>>>> example).
>>>>>
>>>>> The help says about the list in the popup menu: "This is a list of
>>>>> generic styles that may or may not exist on your system." Perhaps, but
>>>>> why few styles for German or Polish, and not French (and other languages)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
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