Great vision Doug. May I also promote EESSI https://www.eessi-hpc.org/ (the European part may maagically be transformed into something else soon)
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 18:57, Douglas Eadline <deadl...@eadline.org> wrote: > > > Some thoughts an this issue and future HPC > > First, in general it is poor move by CentOS, a community > based distribution that has just killed their community. > Nice work. > > Second, and most importantly, CentOS will not matter to HPC. > (and maybe other sectors as well) Distributions will become > second class citizens to containers. All that is needed is a > base OS to run the container (think Singularity) > > Years ago in the early days of Warewwulf, Greg Kurtzer > (Warewulf/Singularity) talked about the idea of bundling the > essential/minimal OS and libraries with applications in custom > Warewulf VNFS image. The scheduler would then boot the application > image -- everything works. Indeed, in my Limulus systems all > Warewulf VNFS images and kernel bootstraps are in RPM files. > Users can load a new VNFS using Yum (and some basic Warewulf > provision commands) > > Now jump ahead to containers and HPCng (https://hpcng.org/) > > An open source project will release a container that "contains" > everything thing it needs to run (along with the container recipe) > Using Singularity you can also sign the container to assure > provenance of the code. The scheduler runs containers. Simple. > > Software Vendors will gladly do the same. Trying to support > multiple distribution goes away. Applications show up in > tested containers. The scheduler runs containers. Things just work, > less support issues for the vendor. Simple. > > The need to maintain library version trees and Modules for > goes away, Of course if are developer writing your own application, > you need specific libraries, but not system wide. Build the > application in your working directly, include any specific libraries > you need in the local source tree and fold it all into a container. > > Joe Landman also comments on this topic in his blog (does not seem > to be showing up for me today, however) > > > https://scalability.org/2020/12/the-future-of-linux-distributions-in-the-age-of-docker-and-k8s/ > > Bottom line, it is all good, we are moving on. > > -- > Doug > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > It looks like the CentOS project has announced the end of CentOS 8 as a > > version that tracked RHEL for the end of 2021, it will be replaced by > > the CentOS stream which will run ahead of RHEL8. CentOS 7 is unaffected > > (though RHEL7 only has 3 more years of life left). > > > > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ > > > > > The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the > > > next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild > > > of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which > > > tracks just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as > > > a rebuild of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream > > > continues after that date, serving as the upstream (development) > > > branch of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. > > > > > > Meanwhile, we understand many of you are deeply invested in > > > CentOS Linux 7, and we’ll continue to produce that version through > > > the remainder of the RHEL 7 life cycle. > > > > I always thought that Fedora was meant to be that upstream for RHEL, but > > perhaps the arrangement now will be Fedora -> CentOS -> RHEL. > > > > I wonder where this leaves the Lustre project, currently they only > > support RHEL7/CentOS7 as the server, and more interestingly, people who > > build Lustre appliances on top of CentOS. > > > > Then there's the question of projects like OpenHPC who've only just > > announced support for CentOS8 (and OpenSuSE15). They could choose to > > track CentOS Stream instead, probably without too much effort. > > > > I do wonder if this opens the door for the return of something like > > Scientific Linux. > > > > All the best, > > Chris > > -- > > Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Berkeley, CA, USA > > _______________________________________________ > > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > > https://beowulf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > > > > > -- > Doug > > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, Beowulf@beowulf.org sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > https://beowulf.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >
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