To be fair Michael,

A fork is something im thinking about doing in all fairness. Hoping to start 
soon on it. Need to at this point figure out how to clone the repositories and 
start my own  testing etc.

Anyone know what the bare minimum you need in terms of packages installed to 
get going with a core OS and then can slowly build on top of?

Regards,
Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: Beowulf <beowulf-boun...@beowulf.org> On Behalf Of Michael Di Domenico
Sent: 10 December 2020 14:00
Cc: beowulf@beowulf.org
Subject: Re: [Beowulf] [External] RIP CentOS 8 [EXT]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:45 PM Lance Wilson via Beowulf <beowulf@beowulf.org> 
wrote:
>
> Rolling is not ideal when you have to compile software against the installed 
> libraries or kernels. If you have or are running Arch Linux you will know 
> what I'm talking about. There are regular niggles with things, especially 
> with compiling your own software that needs recompiles pretty regularly. It 
> is very strange they have gone from stable controlled releases to basically 
> the complete opposite.

<mild sarcasm> welcome to devops and the world of continuous integration :)  no 
point in actually testing anything when you have 2wk release cycles </mild 
sarcasm>

> I'm actually grateful though to have such a strong reason to move on, as we 
> have had quite a number of issues with Redhat support where bugs can't/won't 
> be patched. Also if we move to Ubuntu or Debian we will be much closer to the 
> development environments for most of our researchers.

I feel your pain.  unfortunately my organization is not able to switch off 
redhat to something else, but we've seen an increasing number of bugs (security 
and others) where redhat just won't provide a fix.  and i'm not talking about 
mild things, things with actual CVE's

This whole centos debacle definitely reeks of IBM to some extent, where there's 
no such thing as a free lunch.  but it would have made a lot less people angry 
if they'd just let centos 8 run its course to
2029 and come out with a new product called streams.  then everyone can have 
more than 12mos to change they're entire organization around or not

i have no doubt there will be centos clones come to the market, it'll be 
interesting to see if they get more adoption then devuan has so far or whether 
they'll remain niche.  redhat certainly shook the market with systemd and now 
this, i wonder if this is enough to start pushing people away from redhat 
products or whether we'll start to see more adoption of bsd in the future

redhat doesn't own linux, i wonder if people are starting to get fed up with 
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