On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Jim Lux wrote:

I have never seen a NiCd last that long.  One is lucky to get a hundred
power cycles out of them.

Something is seriously wrong.

Typical Lead Acid should take 1000 cycles (where a cycle is full discharge)

NiCds, properly charged and used, should last for tens of thousands of cycles (e.g. they use them in spacecraft orbiting the earth 14 times a day)

NiMH aren't even doing too well in my copious
supply of rechargable batteries at home.  And of course a car battery
that makes it to seven or eight years is more the exception than the
rule.

That's more driven by exposure to high temperatures and vibration in the under-hood environment.

Yeah, well, empirically the memory effect kills the NiCds way earlier
than that.  And I don't think anything is "wrong" -- I think that's just
the way OTC NiCds work.  Maybe the space program does it better, but
they probably spend a few thousand dollars each on those 10Kcycle
batteries... and their chargers.

Just as with UPSes, they carefully design the battery charger/life to not be too long (hence too expensive). It's a sufficiently well understood engineering exercise that they can draw a fairly accurate graph of charge capacity vs time (with the variability of mfr and use factored in).

you get real long life in a spacecraft application because they carefully hand select and match the cells, and very carefully manage the charge and discharge profiles.

This I believe.

   rgb



FWIW, the Mars Rovers use Lithium Ion batteries, with nominally 1000 cycles life. (which they've exceeded by now)

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