It seems we have a mailing list: THE NATURAL LIFE CYCLE OF MAILING LISTS
Every list seems to go through the same cycle: 1. Initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about how wonderful it is to find kindred souls). 2. Evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list, and brainstorm recruitment strategies). 3. Growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up) 4. Community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and patience; everyone---newbie and expert alike---feels comfortable asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions) 5. Discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader; people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1 threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3 tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves; everyone gets annoyed) 6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list) OR 6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives contentedly ever after) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wade J. Weppler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:40 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Grandstream Source? I agree. I was in exactly the same spot as you just over a year ago. I jumped into Asterisk without any idea of what any of the terms you mention mean. I vowed to setup a FAQ for users in my position, but now that I'm knee deep in it, it's hard to put myself back into that mindset and decide what's necessary and what isn't. As you're currently in that position, I'd be more than happy to answer a set of questions, and post them as a newbie-FAQ. -wade > I have to defend us newbies on this. > > This environment does not facilitate sequential knowledge building! Based > on my entry to Asterisk, I should have already known > T1/E1/VOIP/SIP/FreeWorld/H.232/X100P/PBX/FXO/FXS/channel bank etc you get > the idea (still trying to figure out "skinny"...cisco something, I know). > Heck, I'm struggling to get a grip on what and how to use/confiure SIP for > linux and keep my hair. > > You don't start off with a prerequisite of knowledge to join like a > class/school. You don't have the you-must-have-asterisk-101-before going > to asterisk-102 before you can join this list. You have a forum that is > GENERAL. > > I would like to a better effort to provide a more sensible way to start > helping us newbies. I have to say that the Digium handbook helped a > little, but not much. I have googled till I couldn't see straight. I just > don't yet have the "big picture" that most of you do. I couldn't even tell > you if I need a channel bank or a channel changer ;) at this point. > > A group of you seem to expect people to have a knowledge base that allows > for entering keywords to google. I don't know those keywords. You know the > context to search for when someone says I'm having a problem with insert- > thing-here. > > Instead of the usual, "Search the archives". It would be more helpfull to > give a hint on what to search for. I could search for SIP and get back > several hundred "answers". Then I have to figure out where that answer > lies in the series of possible answers. Then I have to somehow figure out > if it works. > > As most of you teachers (past and present) should know, not all of us > learn the same. Some people just "get" written material. Some NEED the > "spoon" to make it to the next level. Some need the hands-on experience > and other's just can't learn any more than they have already know(those > people are not likely on this list, however). > > You do realize that the http://www.asterisk.org/index.php?menu=support > lists the mailing list first for support, don't you. In fact, you have to > go to the second page before you even see the google reference. More a few > people tend to look for the FIRST way to get help not ALL ways to get > help... > > <flame suit on> > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Dave Cotton wrote: > ... > > Absolutely agree with you Steve. I left teachers training college in > > 1970. I shock some teachers when I said that in all the years since I > > haven't taught anyone anything. I've just enabled them to learn. > > The problem is that in most national education systems the teacher is > > expected to provide the answers to pass some test at the end of the > > course. Thinking is not part of the curriculum. > > -- > > Dave Cotton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > _______________________________________________ > Asterisk-Users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users
