I can’t imagine a financial institution in their right mind taking IPv4 addresses as collateral on a loan (which would be the only reason for the “ownership” issue described).
Owen > On Apr 10, 2017, at 13:46 , Martin Hannigan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:35 PM, William Herrin <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Robby Hicks <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hey guys, quick question for you here. We are looking to buy a larger block > of IP's, however we need to finance this out through a financing company. > > During the financing term, ownership of the IP would need to be by the > financial institution, then transferred to our account after buyout is > completed. > > Hi Robby, > > Contractually you do not own addresses allocated to you through ARIN's > transfer process. In the Registration Services Agreement you signed you > explicitly disclaimed ownership. There is no legal ownership, either by you > or a financing company. There might or might not be legal ownership by ARIN > -- that's not well defined by the courts yet. > > > 'Ownership' can be achieved. In terms of his question about financing, its an > interesting request. It is possible to acquire space and if you properly > engage "A" $RIR, you could well call it an asset. One won't be able to > finance a debt position in it otherwise AFAIK since if it's not property and > you don't own it you can't collateralize it. > > Organizations receiving IP addresses from ARIN must demonstrate an > operational need. The financing company has no such need. Hence ARIN will not > accept them as the registrant lawfully entitled to control of the address > block. > > To some extent you may be able to make binding legal promises to the > financing company with respect to facilitating a subsequent transfer should > you default on payments. A lawyer could help you figure out how. I'm dubious > about your luck talking the financing company in to it. > > > Or acquire assets in $REGION to satisfy the need for a financier to be able > to take a debt position in an asset. Hard pressed to believe anyone is going > to finance anything but ERX/legacy addresses and only outside of the ARIN > region. But then.. reputable and knowledgeable broker. > > Or... v6. <--- > > YMMV. > > Best, > > -M< > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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