On Feb 11, 2014, at 4:29 PM, David Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
> Owen, > > On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >>> "The importance of maintaining accurate records in the RIPE database is >>> recognised as the NCC's principal task. " >>> (well, ok, they spelled recognized wrong :)) >> No, they spelled it the way the British do instead of the Americans. > > It was, of course, a joke, as suggested by the ":)" characters. > >>> Needs testing, in and of itself, is not the issue. What is at issue is >>> what ARIN does when a transfer occurs (and they have, do, and will occur) >>> outside of "justified" need. As a _registry_, I believe ARIN's role (as >>> with IANA and all other RIRs) is to maintain accurate records. >> You've made your position clear. The majority of the ARIN community does not >> appear to agree with you. > > For some definition of a particular subset of the "ARIN community", it may be > true that accuracy of registration information is secondary to imposing > policy dictates. I suspect, however, that for the vast majority of actual > users of registration information that it is NOT the case. > > This might be an interesting topic for an ARIN survey. > > I'm curious: do you personally believe that accuracy of registration data is > secondary to imposing policy dictates? I would argue that the data is accurate. The use of addresses by unregistered entities is a secondary problem. Do you have suggestions for improving our abilities to prevent such misuse by unregistered entities? In short, no, I do not believe that the fact that some people will commit bank robbery is a reason to legalize the robbing of banks in the hopes that such people will not attempt to conceal their identities. >> Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that they "have, do, and >> will occur outside of justified need"? > > Of course not. > > Hint: according to current policy, such use of address space would be grounds > for ARIN to "revoke" that address space. > > I'd be surprised if you actually believe that folks are not fabricating > justifications to get around the ARIN "justified need" requirements, I believe that in any system of laws, rules, regulations, etc. there are going to be those that attempt to circumvent them. I do not believe that removing the regulations is an effective tactic to reduce the anonymity of those parties. Owen
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