James, I've been dying to hear something like this for a long time. Very well put, indeed!
I just want to emphasize that I'm sure throwing the community repo in doesn't necessarily imply that people will get lazy reading documentations. In the end, it's just gonna make pacman have access to more packages. /K. --- James Rayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We want people to use the packages in community, not > shy away from them, > > Bugger automating/asking, who cares if it's > anti-arch, just throw the > community line in the pacman.conf > > Bugger debating whether the packages are tested > enough. How many > people here have had issues with a community > package? > > On the whole, they're awesome, and really... if you > think about it, > many of them are just simple ./configure,make,make > install routines, > there's hardly anything a TU can get wrong in one of > those. Most of > the problems anyone will have with a community > package will have been > introduced upstream at the developer's end. > > And in the unlikely case of a problem? Bugtracker! > Someone needs to > find the problem sooner or later anyway. If a new > users have a > problem, chances are they would have that same > problem if they had > made their own PKGBUILD or installed to their > system. This way, we can > at least get it reported somewhere and without > reproduced work. > > If the users arent given community and dont know it > exists, where are > they going to get the programs that are in it from? > They might well > make their own PKGBUILD, reproducing work, or just > install it straight > to the system without pacman. I think we'd all > rather they use the > community package than do that. > > TRUST our TRUSTED users, have confidence in them, > and put community > repo in, otherwise, we may as well just call them > untrusted packaging > people. Not much point for their existance them if > we end up calling > them that. > > Be decisive, dont argue about silly things like > whether it's arch > philosophy, or the theoretical issues because the > packages may not > have been 'tested'. > > James Rayner > > On 9/21/05, Philip Dillon-Thiselton > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote: > > > Fair enough :) As long as it's made clear that > there > > > are other repositories and how they are enabled, > I'm > > > happy. It's pretty annoying not being able to > install, > > > say, azureus and not knowing that there is a > fine > > > repository hosting it. > > > > I see reading the docs and searching for stuff > really is dying art then? > > Seriously tho, we do need to refresh teh new > users "where to go" thing > > - the install docs could use a refresh too! > > > > > > > > /K. > > > --- Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>On 9/20/05, Khashayar Naderehvandi > > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >>>I think we could ask users during installation > > >> > > >>whether > > >> > > >>>they would want [community] enabled or not, and > > >> > > >>also > > >> > > >>>throw in an appropriate warning. The value of > this > > >>>idea, I think, lies in the fact that the new > user > > >> > > >>will > > >> > > >>>be aware of [community]'s existence rather > > >>>instantaneously. > > >> > > >>I think automation like that is kind of > anti-arch. > > >>Why not just say > > >>"The [current] and [extra] repos have been > enabled. > > >>Please edit > > >>/etc/pacman.conf to enable additional repos." > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>arch mailing list > > >>[email protected] > > >>http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC > calling worldwide with voicemail > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > arch mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > arch mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > > > > > -- > iphitus - www.iphitus.tk > > _______________________________________________ > arch mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ arch mailing list [email protected] http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
