Such a discussion, for a matter so simple. I think that it would best that the community repo is included in the defalt pacman configuration, but it should be commented out, anyone who cares to check the config will be able enable it... If it isn't included in the config however some people may never become aware of its existense cause let's face it - not every user hangs in the mailing lists, forums and web sites of his distro of choice - in fact most don't...

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Bozhidar

Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote:

James,

I've been dying to hear something like this for a long
time. Very well put, indeed!


I just want to emphasize that I'm sure throwing the
community repo in doesn't necessarily imply that
people will get lazy reading documentations. In the
end, it's just gonna make pacman have access to more
packages.

/K.


--- James Rayner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We want people to use the packages in community, not
shy away from them,

Bugger automating/asking, who cares if it's
anti-arch, just throw the
community line in the pacman.conf

Bugger debating whether the packages are tested
enough. How many
people here have had issues with a community
package?

On the whole, they're awesome, and really... if you
think about it,
many of them are just simple ./configure,make,make
install routines,
there's hardly anything a TU can get wrong in one of
those. Most of
the problems anyone will have with a community
package will have been
introduced upstream at the developer's end.

And in the unlikely case of a problem? Bugtracker!
Someone needs to
find the problem sooner or later anyway. If a new
users have a
problem, chances are they would have that same
problem if they had
made their own PKGBUILD or installed to their
system. This way, we can
at least get it reported somewhere and without
reproduced work.

If the users arent given community and dont know it
exists, where are
they going to get the programs that are in it from?
They might well
make their own PKGBUILD, reproducing work, or just
install it straight
to the system without pacman. I think we'd all
rather they use the
community package than do that.

TRUST our TRUSTED users, have confidence in them,
and put community
repo in, otherwise, we may as well just call them
untrusted packaging
people. Not much point for their existance them if
we end up calling
them that.

Be decisive, dont argue about silly things like
whether it's arch
philosophy, or the theoretical issues because the
packages may not
have been 'tested'.

James Rayner

On 9/21/05, Philip Dillon-Thiselton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Khashayar Naderehvandi wrote:
Fair enough :) As long as it's made clear that
there
are other repositories and how they are enabled,
I'm
happy. It's pretty annoying not being able to
install,
say, azureus and not knowing that there is a
fine
repository hosting it.
I see reading the docs and searching for stuff
really is dying art then?
 Seriously tho, we do need to refresh teh new
users "where to go" thing
- the install docs could use a refresh too!

/K.
--- Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On 9/20/05, Khashayar Naderehvandi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I think we could ask users during installation
whether

they would want [community] enabled or not, and
also

throw in an appropriate warning. The value of
this
idea, I think, lies in the fact that the new
user
will

be aware of [community]'s existence rather
instantaneously.
I think automation like that is kind of
anti-arch.
Why not just say
"The [current] and [extra] repos have been
enabled.
Please edit
/etc/pacman.conf to enable additional repos."

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