I've been following the dynamic playlist branch for a few weeks and I think the improvements made are brilliant. I could finally get a simple dynamic playlist (based on "Rock and Pop") running.
However, usability is still a bit difficult for novice->intermediate users. And as there seems to be a bit of duplication in how APG & Dynamic Playlists are currently presented, I'll use some comparisons to explain (and please note, I don't actually like APG's presentation) Someone needs to know all the search bars arcane terminologies (year:>2000 isn't immediately remembered by an ordinary user who uses point-and-click to search in the search bar. APG presents this in more natural language) Another point: I keep double-clicking and/or right-clicking the dynamic playlist name to edit it - this is probably a hold-over from old usage and/or APG's interface. Peter On 05/06/2011, Valorie Zimmerman <valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote: > I certainly meant no insult to Ralf or his work! I should not have > used the word suck, and I'm sorry I did. I apologize, Ralf. > > Valorie > > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Bart Cerneels <bart.cerne...@kde.org> > wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 19:51, Ralf Engels <ralf-eng...@gmx.de> wrote: >>> Hi Myriam, Valorie >>> >>> I am wondering. >>> >>> Which of the many improvements suck? >>> >>> - The example biases which demonstrate to a novice user some of the >>> features and are instantly usable? >>> >>> - The removal/merging of the three bias categories into one short list? >>> >>> - The simplification into a tree-widget that supports drag and drop and >>> all the other stuff that users are already familiar with >>> >>> - The new "search" bias that allows to easily convert a search into a >>> bias >>> >>> - Or some of the other smaller improvements or bug fixes? >>> >>> Anyway, as long as no-one could lay a finger on a concrete usability >>> issue I will just continue bathing in the soft and sensual pink light of >>> a job well done. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ralf >>> >>> On Sa, 2011-06-04 at 12:00 +0200, amarok-devel-requ...@kde.org wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:21, Valorie Zimmerman >>>> <valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Sucks. >>>> > >>>> > In a word. I find it unusable, and would rather see the old one back >>>> > again, if this can't be made 1. discoverable and 2. accurate. >>>> >>>> I must agree, the usability sadly has not improved, it is still far >>>> too nerdy and unsuitable for the average user. >>>> >>>> >> >> I personally don't want to belittle Ralph's work at all. I think the >> new treeview for the dynamic playlists look very nice. Much respect >> for that. And I'm sure if you understand the concepts well that it's >> nice to use. >> However I think we will not get anywhere with trying to use the >> dynamic playlist Bias system in it's current form. The concepts are >> just to hard to grasp for anyone not blessed with the gift of >> understanding the codebase. In short we need to simplify it. >> >> Here is what I propose: >> - re-introduce smart playlists, not dynamic but just build with a >> query that will return as every match from the collections. This >> should suite the usecase of a subset of dynamic playlist usage >> already. >> - On top of the Biases add a very simple similar playlist which will >> be based on whatever is in the queue already. Ex: similar from Last.fm >> based on tracks; similar from echonest based on artists currently in >> the queue; similar tracks using moobar data. >> - A random mode/playlist category. With proportional bias towards >> genre, rating, decade and age, no more for the sake of simplicity. >> >> So in short: split up dynamic playlists in favor of user friendly, >> easy to understand playlist concepts. >> At the same time remove APG for obvious reasons and maintenance. >> >> I've voiced this idea here in Randa already and it seems to be very >> much accepted. >> >> Bart >> _______________________________________________ >> Amarok-devel mailing list >> Amarok-devel@kde.org >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel >> > > > > -- > http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com > Last.fm, Facebook, Twitter, Identica, LinkedIn, Delicious: valoriez > _______________________________________________ > Amarok-devel mailing list > Amarok-devel@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel > -- -- Evolution (n): A hypothetical process whereby infinitely improbable events occur with alarming frequency, order arises from chaos, and no one is given credit. _______________________________________________ Amarok-devel mailing list Amarok-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/amarok-devel
