Heh… we offer a 5G service and include a WiFi 7 router with it just so that we have a 10G port. They don’t have to take the WiFi router if they don’t want. We make the customer sign a document that spells out that you can NOT get a 10G speed test to work over WiFi (despite what the WiFi router may claim), and that you have to have a 10G network switch and adapter in your recent model computer with decent hardware if you want to see a 5G Speedtest result. We have a Veex FX120 that we show them a 5G speed test when we do the install. It seems to help.
Mark > On Dec 16, 2025, at 9:53 AM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: > > It must be a challenge if you offer multigigabit service. I see a GigaSpire > 7u10txg on their website and can just imagine what that must cost. Plus > maybe having to dedicate a strand and an ONU port to that customer. > > Presumably 2-10 gigabit plans would be like the Corvette in the Chevy > dealership showroom, you need one to draw customers, who look at it and then > buy a Malibu or Silverado. Do you price 5 Gbps just $20/mo more than 1 Gbps > knowing the customer won’t use the extra bandwidth? But then do you incur a > bunch of extra hardware costs, and do you not worry about it because it’s one > time not recurring cost? And what about mesh extenders, because I assume the > multigig people often have large homes, and the magic of WiFi7 won’t > necessarily work 5 rooms and 2 floors away. > > And I believe the FCC requires that you let the customer use their own > router, but does the customer realize how difficult it will be to actually > get those 5 Gbps speedtests they crave while using the WiFi router they chose > and bought from Amazon or Best Buy? > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2025 7:40 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question > > Are you using the u6x? I've had an unfair amount of issues with them when > upgrading. Handful of DOAs. As long as I don't touch them (upgrade EXOS or > AXOS), they stay running. > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 5:52 PM <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > We are as small as they come and have been 100% Calix from the beginning. > > > From: AF <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf > Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2025 12:50 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question > > I know myself and others are pretty small - at least I would think we are. > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 12:02 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> I'd imagine anyone building smaller systems would be in a similar boat. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2025 10:53:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question >> >> >> >> That one :P >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 11:26 AM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> Which half? >> >> I know someone else has complained about the Adtran purchase process. Every >> time you go to your distributor, they have to get a fresh quote from Adtran >> about what *YOUR* price is for the qty of SKU you want. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Luthman" < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2025 8:44:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question >> >> >> >> I feel like Mike is the only one with that complaint. >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2025 at 8:47 AM Mike Hammett < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> The Adtran purchase process is dreadful. Their training isn't as easy to >> come across. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mike Hammett >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jason McKemie" < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2025 6:32:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question >> >> >> >> I have some Calix active gear in the field, and I was using some Gigaspire >> routers. I've since switched to Ubiquiti GPON and it has been very solid >> since I started using it, which was several years ago. Adtran supposedly has >> a good product line-up and I'm told it is more reasonable than Calix, >> although I was never able to get pricing. The Calix stuff works well, but is >> best when you're spending OPM. >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2025, 11:40 AM Ken Hohhof < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Good info all of you. >> >> >> >> I started thinking about this when I saw a Reddit post by an ISP customer >> who went to the Calix website and said it was “creepy as hell”. But the post >> was 6 years ago, and you have to take stuff people post on the Internet with >> a grain of salt. >> >> https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/gd46zy/my_isp_will_require_the_calix_gigacenter_in_my/ >> >> >> >> >> I do remember talking to Calix at a WISPAmerica show, I think the last one I >> went to was St. Louis in 2015 so it must have been at least 10 years ago. >> The guy was very helpful and I think even lived near me, but after following >> up decided my company wasn’t nearly big enough to use them. Had to create an >> account, send people to training, buy direct not through distribution, just >> to kick the tires and do a lab eval of the WiFi performance. My impression >> was they were for ISPs that would buy equipment by the truckload, and also >> they were kind of a no sex before marriage company, not even a kiss. Take >> the plunge and commit. But that was 10 years ago. >> >> >> >> Another thing someone else has mentioned to me is ISP customers look at >> their router and assume their ISP is named something like GigaSpire BLAST, >> and that’s who to call for support. Reminds me of the old days when lots of >> people said their Internet provider was named Linksys. I’m sure many of us >> had prospective customers say Internet is free, they use that free provider >> Linksys, and question why we wanted to charge them. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: AF < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > On >> Behalf Of Chuck >> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2025 8:17 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix question >> >> >> >> I have built 3 different companies using Calix and have had no problems like >> you describe below. Xgs in an E7 shelf is pretty high density. And you dont >> have to pay monthly if you dont want their managed router solution. Never >> had a problem getting equipment. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 14, 2025, at 5:55 AM, Mark Radabaugh < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Calix lost me when I needed higher density hardware and all they ever wanted >> to talk about was how they were a cloud service company and look at all our >> shiny toys you can pay us monthly for. Yeah - what about actually hooking up >> customers? Oh, if you give us a two year forecast of what you want to buy we >> will hook you up - just don’t count on them actually having the equipment >> when you need it. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2025, at 7:27 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies via AF < >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Ken, >> >> >> >> >> We use them. First of all their HW just works and works well. They may seem >> to be expensive on the MRC, but they bring a bunch of other services to the >> table. They will help with marketing, network engineering, etc. The support >> is VERY responsive and the amount of data collected in the service cloud is >> unbelievable. >> >> >> >> This is all they do, managed routers and fiber distribution. They have to be >> top notch to survive. >> >> >> >> >> They fit into our business model, but each business if different. >> >> >> >> >> I would say give them a chance to give you a proposal. See what they bring >> to the table. Maybe it is a fit, maybe not. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark mailto: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com <http://www.myakka.com/> >> >> >> >> ------ >> >> >> >> Saturday, December 13, 2025, 1:51:56 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I assume some of the folks on this list who are doing fiber use Calix ONTs >> and routers? >> >> >> >> If I go to the Calix website, maybe as a provider thinking of using them as >> a vendor, I am totally confused. It is not clear what products they sell or >> how I would use them. It all seems to be glossy marketing stuff about their >> agentic AI cloud and market insights. I don’t see a single picture of a >> piece of hardware. >> >> >> >> Is this how a lot of ISPs are making money despite charging low prices? Do >> they have an “agentic workforce” monitoring how their customers use the >> Internet, cross referencing it to demographics, and mining that data for >> ads, upselling, etc.? 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