Hi Rlubke, I'm new to JSF, these last 3 months are the first project where I use it, even though I've tried many times to convince my company to use it. It ended up that I use it for my own society I left them out :-). So...
That said, my hats off to the MyFaces folks for having
the number of subprojects they have. It says a lot about JSF as a technology. I followed the birth of the idea of JSF in 2002 (If my memory is ok) and I even asked in the last Sun tech Days in Paris If Sun plans to enlage the scope of JSF to Mobility instead of having lots of scripting technologies like SVG and having to describe the flow in a specific manner. All this is to say how I belive in the quality of the JSF concepts. (for the anecdot: the answer of a sun consultant was: "we don't plan to integrate servers in mobile phones" :-p. I was surely misunderstood, what I meant was : JSF is based on the servlet technology, and the servlet technology could be extended to support other protocols than Http, so why not an artificial protocol dedicated to mobility devices (a sort of "virtual device again"). All phones are able to read HTML so there's only the servlet side that's missing...)
Sorry. That's just gross mis-information.
I'm sorry I have read this in the popular manning publication that's a 3 years old book, things have surely changed since the book was written, so apologizes if I underjudged the RI, but again in the Sun tech days, a Sun representer said the Reference Implementation's goal is to validate the fesability of a specification, surely it doesn't mean it's of worse quality but I interpreted it as a validation process where the focus isn't on fitness. So sorry again for what I've said ;-). Anyway I took a look at the sun side before I move to MF I saw the jMaki (that hasn't a component approach, and that introduces another protocol for the ajax data transfer "I forgot the name: a sort of [value1,value2,...] format") and the Woodstock project (that hasn't enough information to get started), in addition to that, todays commercial applications (not the ones for internal use) must look nice, and MF seems to RI sth like swing to SWT (we pass less time on it to make it look great). That's naturally my own opinion, but seen I'm new to JSF developing "not concept", I think a big part of people in my situation will end up with the same conclusions: seen they will take a look at Sun at first and saerching for ajax and better looking comps they will fall on JMaki, try to develop in it until they realize the component approach is left out (and they lost a lot of time). After that, they will look a little further and find ASF and RichFaces on one side and Tobago, Trinidad and Tomahawk on the other. I recognize that I search at first for a Sun product (because of the quality of the JSRs and the good architecture of implementations), if I don't find at Sun, Apache is the next step (That was the case for JSF). 2007/7/20, rlubke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Zied Hamdi-2 wrote: > > I'd say you're a little "direct" with the MyFaces team, comparing the RI > and > MyFaces with all its subprojects is a little "unfair" comparaison seen > that > the RI doesn't have to handle nor ajax features nor css beside the fact > that > it's definitely less rich in its components, > True enough. For the longest time, the RI only provided what the spec required. This isn't 100% true now. We do have a small sandbox with AJAX components. That said, my hats off to the MyFaces folks for having the number of subprojects they have. It says a lot about JSF as a technology. Zied Hamdi-2 wrote: > > in addition to the fact that > MyFaces is not "just" Tomahawk, and that the RI is only a sort of "testing > labs" with no performance objectives. > Sorry. That's just gross mis-information. The 1.2 RI has been out for over a year and performance has been a key goal during that period. Maybe you should look at this: http://blogs.sun.com/rlubke/entry/jsf_ri_performance_scalability The 1.2 RI is being used in production and is production quality. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Myfaces-1.2.0-setup-issues-%28again%29-tf4112450.html#a11711144 Sent from the MyFaces - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
-- Zied Hamdi zatreex.sourceforge.net
