I think the gist of this thread is that, yes, we can add optional or
exclusions -- but why not simply add a dependency attribute such as::

<dependency transitive="off" >

or even

<dependencies transitive="off" >

Although it seems that this should be a project-specific property and should
not be transitive itself. In other words, it should be ignored if it is
found in a child dependency so that if one requests transitive behavior (in
the project being assembled) they will get what they expect.

On 11/21/05, Eric Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> I agree with you. The pom can be improved greatly by specifying only oro
> and
> commons-codec as "mandatory" dependencies. All others should be optional.
>
> I'll watch closely this bug :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eric
>
> On 11/21/05, Carlos Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The problem is that the pom can be improved to add some of them as
> > optional.
> > I'll solve that when solving http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MEV-161.
> >
> > On 11/21/05, Eric Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > If you want to use all the Acegi's features, sure you need all these
> > jars.
> > > But since I don't need single sign on (cas), ldap or jsp support
> > (directory,
> > > taglibs) or caching (ehcache), why should I have these dependencies
> > included
> > > in my application?
> > >
> > > I think transitive dependency is great, but sometime it's just better
> to
> > > turn it off and specify by hand the dependencies you want ot use...
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > On 11/21/05, Eric Biesterfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think there's something more wrong if a jar says it has
> dependencies
> > > > and it doesn't actually need them.
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you don't need these? If so, consider using your own
> > > > repository before ibiblio and strip these of their dependencies.
> > > >
> > > > On 11/21/05, Eric Jacob < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your suggestion. It worths a look! But I still think
> the
> > > > ability
> > > > > to disable transitive dependency would be a good thing. It just
> > doesn't
> > > > feel
> > > > > right to me to exclude more dependencies than I really need.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/18/05, John Tolentino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Eric,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you look at it's pom
> > > > > > (
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/packages/maven2/acegisecurity/acegi-security/0.9.0/acegi-security-0.9.0.pom
> > > > > > ),
> > > > > > this artifact have 21 direct dependencies. Exclude those and the
> > other
> > > > > > transitive dependencies will be excluded as well. You can easily
> > do
> > > > this
> > > > > > if you copy those dependencies from the artifact's pom and paste
> > it to
> > > > > > your exclusions. A find and replace for "dependency" to
> > "exclusion"
> > > > > > within your copied text won't take that much time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eric Jacob wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Putting the following dependency results in 72 jars downloaded
> in
> > > > > > >WEB-INF/lib!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ><dependency>
> > > > > > ><groupId>acegisecurity</groupId>
> > > > > > ><artifactId>acegi-security</artifactId>
> > > > > > ><version> 0.9.0</version>
> > > > > > ><scope>runtime</scope>
> > > > > > ></dependency>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Of course, I can exclude unecessary dependencies, but it's a
> real
> > > > pain. A
> > > > > > >better solution would be to disable transitive dependencies all
> > > > together.
> > > > > > Is
> > > > > > >it supported?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Thanks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Eric
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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