On 2021-05-19 1:10 p.m., Digimer wrote: > On 2021-05-19 12:58 p.m., Digimer wrote: >> On 2021-05-19 12:55 p.m., [email protected] wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> The ClusterLabs community has long used a #clusterlabs IRC channel on >>> the popular IRC server freenode.net. >>> >>> As you may have heard, freenode recently had a mass exodus of staff and >>> channels after a corporate buy-out that was perceived as threatening >>> the user community's values. >>> >>> Many have moved to a new server, libera.chat, organized as a nonprofit. >>> We have grabbed the #clusterlabs channel there to reserve the name. >>> (Thanks, digimer!) >>> >>> Our options are to move #clusterlabs to libera.chat, find another >>> public server, set up our own chat solution on clusterlabs.org, or >>> continue using freenode until the dust settles. >>> >>> By coincidence, I've been investigating Phacility as an open-source >>> project management tool for Pacemaker. I was already planning to set up >>> a demo instance on clusterlabs.org Friday. Phacility has a suite of >>> tools, including (web-based) chat, so I'll enable that, and we can >>> experiment with it to see if it's worth considering. >>> >>> Opinions welcome. I'll follow up on this thread with any new >>> developments. >> >> Speaking to another dev, he suggested OFTC, who have been around for 20 >> years, host other big open source projects, and has no connection to the >> freenode drama. For all these reasons, I'd like to change my suggestion >> to OFTC. As with libera.chat, I've setup and registered the channels the >> community use there as well. >> >> So as of right now, I've got things setup on both networks, and will go >> with whatever the majority chooses. For me personally, my votes are now >> +1 to oftc and -1 to libera.chat. > > I saw that #centos is moving to libera.chat, so I asked what helped them > make their decision; > > ==== > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 01:01:57PM -0400, Digimer wrote: >> >> Has the CentOS community considered OFTC? If so, I'm curious what made >> libera.chat win out. I have no horse in the race of either, and ask to >> see if I'm missing arguments for/against OFTC or libera. > > It's a different culture and oftc is unable to scale the way that the > sponsor model of libera allows. It's also _all_ the same staff from > freenode as of this morning. Same operational mode. Same commands. > Same culture. Same trust established with working with the staffers > over many years. > > It appears that Fedora is moving to libera as well: > > https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/371 > > > I expect some of the other Red Hat-based project channels > (#anaconda, for instance) will also move but this is merely a hunch. > ==== > > Argument(s) for Libera
Looks like most channels are going to Libera, so I'm modifying my vote back to +1 for libera and -1 to OFTC. -- Digimer Papers and Projects: https://alteeve.com/w/ "I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops." - Stephen Jay Gould _______________________________________________ Manage your subscription: https://lists.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/users ClusterLabs home: https://www.clusterlabs.org/
