On Sun, 23 Sep 2018, ttoine wrote:
involved (MOTU and other people like that for Ubuntu). More, in some open source projects, only committers can vote on strategic decisions, and it's bad when they ignore theirs users or don't understand a specific emerging use of their project. That's why many open source project have bad UI/UX, and often, bad communication. I can't remember how much time someone answered to me in IRC "learn how to code and do it"...
Yes and no. As an Ardour dev, I have added a lot of stuff that is not useful to me. On the other hand, there are users or just people who like to comment, that have ideas that really don't make sense or that would be bad for the project or really can't be done without rewriting the whole project. When one of these people is insistant that their pet want gets added and won't leave you alone. There is a point of "no I won't add that, build a copy and add it yourself". even as someone who commits to Ardour frequently I still don't have a lot fo vote in it's direction ;)
Engineers and technicians don't care that much about their operating system look and feel: they have the head in their applications. They are just looking for a very stable operating system and good devices drivers. Providing a slick dark theme and some nice backgrounds, a setup assistant, and too much pre-installed applications is not anymore what people want. The current need is a lightweight, clean install, and then they just add the few applications they use in their workflow. This is where AVLinux, KXStudio, or even a vanilla Ubuntu with a few modifications (my current choice) are good enough for those who can follow a howto :-)
While vanilla is much better than it was... well, it's not my favourite still. However, point taken.
By the way, let's speak a bit about the beginnings of the Ubuntu Studio journey. At the origin (I was there...) Ubuntu Studio was a wiki page for vanilla Ubuntu,
I came along well after that. (there was a text based installed when I showed up)
Regarding the project name, sometimes, I have the feeling that the name "Ubuntu Studio" was a good idea and a bad idea at the same time. In the past, it gave a
I remember, but I honestly don't remember how I felt at the time. Working with Ubuntu has not been easy. releases are based on other things than audio and as such we have ended up with releases just before major audio app releases or just before a significant bug fix (jackd comes to mind). This has made Studio instantly out of date. Running a PPA with just metas, an install applet and updates would allow keeping up with such thing much easier.
So why not use kx ppa? Some his utilities (cadence) make trouble shooting very hard on IRC or email. (controls current state is because of that)
I stepped down from the project after Ubuntu 10.04 for two reasons: I became a father (and it means less time available), and I disagreed with the direction of the project at the time (particularly, the will to add as much packages as possible and focus energy on changing the desktop environment, instead of improving drivers and overall stability).
That has (or had) changed. Many packages were removed and the installer had a module added that allowed choosing which apps to actually install. So it was possible to have an audio only (no graphics/video apps) and not include non-used apps even in audio.
In my humble opinion, an active website, with a dedicated forum, with section like "Audio", "Video", or "3D", welcoming any users of any Debian/Ubuntu derivative, would have been a key to create an active community. But because of
There are linux audio users email lists and formums and they are not doing so well these days either. The linux audio website is suffering from the same dev/maintainer burnout.
There is something we must not forget: nowadays it has never been so easy to install a Debian based Linux distribution like Ubuntu, and then add/change a few things to use it as a very good audio or video workstation. Most people actually
There some good parts to this too. Having people asking for help about OS related things would automatically go to the flavour they installed rather than our almost empty IRC channel.
Whatever is the decision of the current team, to continue or to stop the project, be sure there is no bad decision. Projects start, live, and die. Even if you would choose to stop Ubuntu Studio, parts of it will be used each time someone record music with a Debian based Linux distribution. This is a big legacy :-)
I think I will distribute ubuntustudio-controls under another name as well. Just to keep it alive if all else fails... and to make it more usable to those who are not using ubuntu.
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