On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 07:54, Steve Langasek <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 01:14:27PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 04:16, Steve Langasek <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for raising this valid concern. > > > > On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 12:47:23PM +1200, Michael Hudson-Doyle wrote: > > > > Debian bookworm is scheduled to be released on June 10. Debian Import > > > > Freeze is currently scheduled for about six weeks later, on August > 17. Do > > > > we want to shut off debian imports early, basically as soon as > bookworm > > > > releases, to avoid having all our work overwhelmed by a bunch of > > > > transitions in Debian? > > > > In addition to the counterpoints raised by Jeremy and Seb, I'd point > out > > > that moving up the Debian import freeze would also be an obstacle to > > > landing > > > the 64-bit time_t migration this cycle, which I think we definitely > want to > > > do in 23.10, not in 24.04. > > > Ah we are going to try that for 24.04 are we? Somehow I had the feeling > we > > were going to be more cautious. But I think it's probably a good idea to > > get it over with. > > Well, the longer we spend on it, the more time we're going to have to spend > re-analyzing libraries in the archive to identify ABI breaks as things > drift. And my proposal in Debian has been to kick this off when trixie > opens. So I do think it's better for us to move forward. > Fair enough. > We definitely don't want our dpkg-buildflags to differ from Debian's on > this > for any significant amount of time. > Yes that would be pain. > > Do you think the necessary people are convinced on the Debian side to > land > > this early in trixie or is there still more arguing to be done there? > > We still don't have a definitive agreement on what to do with i386, No kidding. > but I > think that will shake out once we have a dpkg-buildflags implementation to > discuss. > Fair enough. Having conversations somewhere other than meandering debian-devel threads is probably the way forward! Cheers, mwh
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