On 一, 5月 05, 2008 at 09:46:04上午 -0000, Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: > Arne Goetje 写道: > > Wenzhuo Zhang wrote: > >> Pan, Shi Zhu wrote: > >>> Just be curious, what is the definition of "where the same style is > >>> expected"? > >> Common sense, or resemblance to what you see in Windows. > > > > Which version of Windows are you talking about? > > Any Simplified Chinese version. > > > And why is it common sense to enforce one font style only? At least here > > in Taiwan most chinese newspapers use a Hei Ti font for the headings and > > a Song/Ming Ti font for the rest of the article texts. Therefor I don't > > see what's wrong with webpages which prefer different font styles for > > different parts of the website... this is mostly done to have a visual > > distinction between the different parts of the website and is fully > > intended. > > It's my habbit as well. The problem here is that web pages belonging to as you've said, its your owns habbit, bot not all other Chinese users. > the same website section use different fonts for the same part of page > bodies. It's indeed because website authors do not specify font families > in some pages while specifying one for others. > > However, since you (CJK team) made UMing the preferred font for SimSun > or "宋体", why cannot you make ZenHei the preferred font for these common > Chinese font aliases after making the decision to include WQY ZenHei as > the preferred font for sans-serif? Because we have tested this type configure before release, we're satisfy with the configure what is now. > > > If you don't like that, I suggest that you either ask the website author > > why he has done so, or change the settings on your local computer. There > > are a number of ways to prefer UMing as the default font for everything, > > starting from editing the font preferences in your browser, to just > > removing the package from your system. > > You don't really seem to understand the problem here. - I know how to > change font settings and I've done so already. By opening a bug report > here and discussing with you, I meant to see Ubuntu constantly improving > as a product. Specifically, I hope Chinese users can comfortable use a > default install of Ubuntu, without having to manually edit any > configuration files. > > >> If you choose Zen Hei as the default font, make sure it is in the most > >> preferred font for some common Chinese font aliases as well. > > > >> I have tried my best to get used to Zen Hei. I had to remove > >> conf.d/63-wqy-zenhei.conf mainly because 1) 14px makes a big difference > >> than 13px on a 12" XGA LCD; 2) the width of Latin character glyphs in > >> Zen Hei doesn't seem to match that of CJK characters. > > > > Latin characters usually don't have the same width like CJK glyphs. > > Either they are Monospaced and therefor half the width of a CJK glyph, > > or they are proportional and don't fit at all to CJK glyph widths. Most > > Western fonts are proportional and even on Windows, you will find that > > the SimSun and MingLiU Chinese fonts come in two versions, one with > > Monospaced Latin glyphs and the other with Proportional Latin glyphs. > > > > In short, if you don't like ZenHei, just remove it from your system. > > It's as easy as that. > > > > > > As a more general note: > > It will be impossible to find a font setting that fits everyone! People > > just have different preferences, regarding default font for the > > languages they use in various locale environments, whether or not > > bitmaps, anti-aliasing, hinting, etc. should be used or even which > > hinting level for which font and which application is preferred. And of > > course people have different screens (LCD or CRT) and different > > screensizes and resolutions and therefor prefer different font settings. > > So, for the distribution we try to give the users an acceptable default > > setting. And as many users prefer a Hei Ti font for their desktop, we > > chose to include WQY ZenHei and set it as preferred font for sans-serif. > > And if any user, including you, does not like that, he is free to change > > his local settings. But I and many others do not agree with the claim > > that it should be expected to have only one Chinese font visible on the > > system. Even Windows come with a multitude of Chinese fonts installed by > > default. And if websites request the rendering to be done by serif, > > sans-serif fonts or a mixture of them, it will surely be done so. > > > > Just my 2 NT$... > > Change font setting is the first thing I do after installing/upgrading > Ubuntu. It's boring although not too difficult. As a Ubuntu user, I wish > it could provide universally acceptable default settings so that typical > users won't have to manually change anything before they start using > Ubuntu comfortably. > > Deleting WQY ZenHei is not a good idea because it would break package > dependancy, and also because it's good to have it in your system. actually, you needn't uninstall the package, all you need to do is disable the zenhei in fontconfig. > Instead, I suggest prompting the users whether they'd like to install > ZenHei as the default font post-install. A high priority question "dpkg- > reconfigure -phigh ttf-wqy-zenhei" is suitable here. It's good to keep > users choice in /etc/default/. > > Wenzhuo > > -- > ttf-wqy-zenhei and other Chinese fonts got mixed up where the same style is > expected > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/206018 > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to ttf- > wqy-zenhei in ubuntu.
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