ty wilsonb  for responding to my post.

That is a solution that I had not tried yet.

And although the instructions at the link you provided are 'idiot
proof'... I have not had success yet.

I can not get the 2nd partition formatted, because it won't show up in
the list of devices with fdisk -l .

My usb drive is a Kingston 4gb... but my issues are noob fdisk partition
issues not related to this thread.

ty again.  I will keep trying of course.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ubuntu# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sdb: 3997 MB, 3997695488 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 486 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           1         487     3903968    b  W95 FAT32
Partition 1 has different physical/logical endings:
     phys=(485, 254, 63) logical=(486, 6, 31)

yet within fdisk I see...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/ubuntu# fdisk /dev/sdb1

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/sdb1: 3997 MB, 3997663232 bytes
123 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1023 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 7626 * 512 = 3904512 bytes

     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1p1   *           1         180      686309    6  FAT16
/dev/sdb1p2             181        1023     3214359   83  Linux

And.. if I format the 1st partition.. using mkfs.vfat -F 16 -n usb
/dev/sdb1... with no errors.

Then.. even the 1st partition disappears... according to fdisk.

Anyway, ty again.  I either have a weird USB drive that wont cooperate,
or I am an idiot and need to do more studying up on fdisk.

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