Hi Nafallo.

First of all, sorry for the inconstructive rant i've posted here.
I was fed up with all the pointless discussions here at the proper place, but 
i've shouldn't have used the tone I did.

Still, you can't deny programs like automatix install a 32-bit firefox
and 32-bit mplayer + codecs at the click of a button.  I'm very well
aware their solutions are usually of 'forum-quality' (i.e. dirty hacks
stacked upon each other) rather than a proper build and package.
Nevertheless in the end they deliver what many people are wanting.

You are claiming fud because you yourself have little need for these
things. Yet one of the typical intenttons of ubuntu was to be usefull to
more people than just the developpers. Likely you don't want to play
games, or use MSN either. You won't get many word-docs in the mail
either.

I've converted quite a few people that depend on my for their system 
maintaince. (still, even with Ubuntu).
The primary stuff they want:  Java Applets (read: Yahoo games), Flash (read;  
Youtube), Wine-based-games (read: Half-life2/Counterstrike) and MSN.  Sure, 
i'll try to seduce them to Jabber, point them to opensource games, show them 
they can use OGG instead of MP3, show them they are better off sending PDF's 
around. But these kinds of transitional support is make or break for them. 
About half of these persons have amd64 chips. Each new release I check if they 
can do the principal stuff they need on AMD64. 

I don't want or need a blame game. Nor a principal discussion about what
the priority is. I don't want to be the millionth person here pointing
to bug number 1. But if anyone reads the priority as in Wine, Flash and
Java do not matter, then bug #1 is 'won't fix' as well. That would be a
choice I can understand, but unlike you said, that's not the current
policy. Ubuntu is, more than any linux distro, a transition distro. Most
new Ubuntu users are former Windows users.

So, in a more polite form, I would like to point out that there is a
huge demand for working flash, codecs, wine and java.

I understand that installing 32-bit firefox and mplayer is pretty
hackish. Which is why I proposed to only bring gstreamer-pitfall-dll to
linux32. Codecs do not have any dependencies anyway. This was not a
request for proper multi-arch like you claim. The areas where multi-arch
is needed is limited to non-free stuff anyway. If flash, java-applets,
wine and codecs work, I don't see any need for multi-arch support. All
other stuff is just a recompile away.

Now, here is my question to you: how many of the AMD64 users are
actually running the 368 version of Ubuntu and why is that?

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The 64bit mplayer binary/package can't use the 32bit win32codecs to play *wmv 
files.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571
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