Okay I found the problem and the solution but it is still a bug. my /etc/network/interfaces was trying to bring up the device before it was ready and thus creating a bogus empty pid file.
By commenting essentially everything out of the file I got normal behavior back. (In this case I mean normal except that the netowork managers seem useless.) That being said this is still clearly a bug. -- dhclient already running, must kill to connect with wireless https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/130715 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is the bug contact for Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
