ran apt after update manager and synaptic crashed
it  ran ok
first updated apt - 2  libraies were installed
did autoremove , lots removed
now 400+ packages to upgrade , was 311
now executing  , no sig fault yet
system will be different , don't know if gui update will fault again
will try after apt finishes

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  update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in
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