Sorry I wasn't more explicity

Taking your suggestion, running kinit user@REALM i do recieve "Password 
Expired.  You must change it now"
This is with preauthentication off

However, when I turn Pre-authentication on, I recieve a Generic
Preauthetncation Failure

perhaps this is an issue with kinit/ktpass version in 12.04?

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