I do not want to trigger more reactions, there is probably not point, I just want to vent my position on this.
I second Guillaume and Francois 100%. There has to be support for "older systems" whether we like it or not, Guillaume makes a valid point. In reality there are probably more professionals using older compilers than hobbiests who tend to go for the newer versions (affordable or not, don't think that the gross of hobbiests use "purchased" versions). PS. I still use Borland C++ Builder 5 (and still happy with it, PS. I will never go for .NET, I'll retire before I "have" to, and go live under a rock if I can't afford it, but that's a personal thing) It's the same principle like many of us still have to make sure that our software runs on early Win95 and NT4 systems, we would like to move away from it, but commercial software cannot always afford to do that (depends on what it does and who it is for). And last but definitly not least, It's Francois' pet project, his baby, his hobby, let HIM decide what to do please ! Best Regards, Peter ------------------------------------------------------- Peter Van Hove CD and DVD Data recovery [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.Smart-Projects.net www.IsoBuster.com ------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guillaume MAISON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ICS support mailing" <twsocket@elists.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] HttpCli: Opinion wanted ! Fastream Technologies a écrit : > This time I second Agnus. No professional coder would use a compiler from > last decade and if an amateur wants to do so, he/she should be happy with > an > old ICS release version. > > There needs to be a time that we look further into the future and leave > the > past in the past. Othwerwise we would be stuck in the past. > > Best Regards, > > SubZ Well... it's not that simple... i've been working for french mobile phone provider. They have some applications - heavy ones as it mixes helpdesk, commercial stuff, etc... - developped with delphi 5. Having a look at how they manage their project, the quality checks that are made, the time taken for any process involving an application evolution, that may take quite a lot of time. Moreover, migrating such an application would cost *a lot* of money in : - quality checks for the new compiler version ; - adapting applications to work with a new compiler version (there're millions lines of code, even in delphi) ; - if there're 3rd party components used, you have to be sure that those components work with the new compiler version, which is *never* guaranteed ; - checking the new compiled version of the application ; - deploying the new application on more than 1000 workstations ; - checking every bug, etc... Those applications i'm talking about are part of the company backbone. So when you think about the cost of migrating an application, when you think that the first goal of such companies is making money spending it lessly possible, adding a feature using TCP/IP component is less expensive using the same compiler - which has passed all the quality checks - than the one used for the application. that's why many companies are still using old versions of delphi. You both are quite talking in a developper way, in a technical way - no offense here ;). My talking is much more as a company manager which has to take in account every cost. Developping an application - and most of all anticipating its evolutions - is a loadbalancing between technical stuff and financial stuff. ICS, whatever its version, is a simple - hence robust - Winsock API. it may surely be found in many - unknown to us - company information systems backbone. So if there're modifications - bug correction for example - you have to be sure that the new version will still be backward compatible for what already exists. I don't mean the new functionnalities, but at least the actual ones. So yes, actually, some professional developpers still use old compilers and may need the components to still work, even with a new version. IMHO, Best regards, -- Guillaume MAISON - [EMAIL PROTECTED] 83, Cours Victor Hugo 47000 AGEN Tél : 05 53 87 91 48 - Fax : 05 53 68 73 50 e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web : http://nauteus.com -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
