Thanks for the valuable material, and insight, as well as for shifting back to serious, away from lurid where an increasing number of policymakers more often than not find themselves.
-- Herbert Karl Mathé m...@hkmathe.de PGP B9BF953500452875 https://www.hkmathe.de/pub_key_16-07-09.txt @hkmathe Beethovenstr. 13 60325 Frankfurt Germany On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 22:01:29 -0400 Roger Dingledine <a...@torproject.org> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 07, 2019 at 09:19:11PM -0400, Seth Caldwell wrote: > > I know the dark web can be a terrible place, with content not suitable for > > anyone, basically. Like illegal drug cartel, fake passports/IDs,creepy > > websites, and generally all around messed up stuff. If you feel comfortable > > talking about your experiences. Then, please reply to this Message. > > I'm increasingly realizing that when "threat intelligence" companies > talk about the dark web, they mean anything on the internet that they > think you should be scared of. > > For example, I talk to a growing number of CTOs from these threat > intelligence companies, and the recurring pattern is that they explain > that their marketing people need to say "oooo dark web" to feel like > they're being competitive, but actually almost all of their useful > material comes from watching paste sites like pastebin. > > So increasingly, when I hear somebody breathlessly asking me about all > the spooky stuff on the internet, I wonder what that has to do with Tor, > that is, why they are asking Tor. > > Or taking a step back: when they say dark web, are they talking about > (A) websites on the internet that are reachable via Tor onion services, > (B) websites on the internet that have bad stuff on them, or > (C) websites on the internet that you need to log in to before you can > read the content? > > There was a time a while ago where I think people meant 'A', but nowadays > it seems everybody means 'B' or 'C'. There are a wide variety of websites > in Russia (i.e. that end in .ru) or Malaysia (.my) with all of those > things you mentioned plus more. And of course there is some overlap > between the three categories, but I think the overlap is a lot smaller > than people think, and certainly a lot smaller than the "oooo dark web" > hollywood tv shows want to imply. > > For my most recent discussions about the dark web, and trying to get > some actual facts around it, see minutes 36-44 of the FOSDEM 2019 video: > https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/tor_project/ > > Hope this helps, > --Roger >
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