On Fri, 25 Jan 2019 at 08:54, Mirimir <miri...@riseup.net> wrote: I've not heard of "Tor v3 Onion Networking". Does it exist? Or if not, are > there plans? Or do you mean just using v3 onion-onion sockets? That would > be painful. >
Yes, I mean almost precisely that. Explanatory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcPfJj7CY1A All this talk about making Onions pretend to be TCP/IP is ... not maximising the value proposition of Onion Networking, in pursuit of some result where I cannot see a clear benefit. (Adoption of a substandard[*] solution, for adoption's sake?) Tor's "presentation layer" is SOCKS5, which is okay ; perhaps eventually we will have AF_ONION in the same way that AF_X25 exists: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/x25.7.html ...and like I had to use for sending/receiving email at X.25-based UK universities in the early 1990s. But we don't need AF_ONION and a socket stack yet; what I think we need right now is people making more services available on v3 onion addresses, because it's faster and more secure. Easing client connectivity by any means, does not provide benefit when there are no servers/peers to talk to (see video). [*]Simply: I am happier to see the end clients knowing that they are talking directly to Tor rather than relying upon some per-operating-system "shim" to make Tor available to them; aside from any other reason, shims tend to get pushed upstream (NAT-boxes, anyone?) and further break the end-to-end principle. - alec -- http://dropsafe.crypticide.com/aboutalecm -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
