I understand. No one wants to do that. But they do because that's the only solution. Changing identities shouldn't lessen anonymity for https://startpage. I say shouldn't because depending on how you use the new identity feature it's possible to have existing connections still open on your old circuit. If these connections are for ad-related services and you open a new connection to a site which uses those ad related services then you've potentially just leaked your identity change. Old circuits aren't closed immediately. I digress. As far as startpage/ixquick is concerned though it really is 'just try a new identity' for accessing the search page. The access-by-proxy links presented will expire eventually forcing you to search again. If you're really desperate because the new identity feature isn't working maybe there's something wrong with your consensus. If you're using TBB close it, delete the folder, unpack from the download, try again.
Otherwise how would you propose to fix it? Suppose startpage/Tor work together for a fix. How would you envision such a fix to work? A major goal of Tor is to make you look no different than any other. Including making sure you're not the only one using nodes. If you're no different than any other how do you prove you're not the one abusing startpage search? Maybe there's no abuse and it's just many people trying to use startpage through that exit. If you were the only one using an exit that would less anonymity. --leeroy bearr On 11/8/2014 at 2:00 PM, "Soul Plane" wrote:On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 10:44 AM, l.m wrote: > It's not broken. They explain clearly that the concurrent use of > ixquick/startpage by multiple Tor users at a given exit relay can > trigger automated abuse blocking. They're right. It could be abuse. > The same reason Google does it. Why is this a surprise? The problem > with Google is the connection sometimes 'spills' over to new circuits > which puts you into an infinite loop of entering captchas. This makes > Google just block some exit relays entirely for a time because of > repeated failed captchas. Google really wants to make money so if they > set a cookie for one of your circuits, and ask for a captcha, which > then 'spills' to a new circuit, and you just choose a new > identity--well it shouldn't be a surprise they decide to block a bunch > exits for lost revenue. Just try your search on startpage/ixquick with > a new identity. > Thanks, I know I can do that but I don't want to do that. Their help page says "Both Ixquick and StartPage are compatible with Tor, although use of VPNs and Proxy services (including Tor) may occasionally trigger our anti-abuse mechanisms. If so, you will temporarily be presented with a small warning message, or a request to complete a CAPTCHA before continuing with your search." [1] I didn't get captchas and the warning didn't go away. So it seems broken. It's a block unless you change identities until you get one that works. If you have to repeatedly change identities doesn't that do something to lessen anonymity? [1]: https://support.startpage.com/index.php?/en/Knowledgebase/Article/View/288/0/how-does-startpage-interact-with-tor -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
